Abductees should be put through this kind of testing..

[The Hawk]

http://www.livescience.com/othernews...ast_lives.html

and more of course..

[Aaron LeClair]

So, were they given the hypnotic suggestion to remember upon awakening? Or were they showed/told the names then hypnotized to recall them? That is what needed to be done.

There is fact checking with at least some abduction researchers. Jacobs and Hopkins use decent controls. All the time? I have no way of knowing. I personally am not wild about hypnosis unless there are multiple people and some facts that can be checked, like a license plate in the Witness case by Hopkins. Even then, nothing I think should be done in preliminary stages of the investigation.

In short, hypnosis is a double edge sword. You can get very accurate details under hypnosis, but you can also get poor/inaccurate info. Tight controls are needed. I'm not quite sure what all went on with the example the article gave.

[The Hawk]

I realize Jacobs, ..ICAR and MUFON and and some others in the field do seem to do a decent job. But do they test their subjects for source-monitoring memory errors?
I would like to see the results..

[cq0]

I dont think this is a reliable tool, the best witness is the one that remembers the incident. Its not good when you have to digg deep into someone's memories.

[Apollonius]

Originally Posted by cq0

I dont think this is a reliable tool, the best witness is the one that remembers the incident. Its not good when you have to digg deep into someone's memories.

Hypnosis, memory regression is terribly unreliable, therefore if evidence from such sources is being used in any investigation then verification from "reliable" independant sources need to be used. Otherwise belief will intervene and we all know what happens to rational analysis and discussion when that happens.

[The Hawk]

I know I'm pretty much alone on this but I believe regressive hypnosis is just as reliable than normal memory and sometimes more, if done by an extremely competent hypnotist. Especially when it comes to encounters because the grays just love their deceptive screen memories. It's long since been proven that people under hypnosis can remember many elaborate details such as license plates, and other very specific facts that are consciously not accessible. So people need to stop pretending it's not at least somewhat useful for gathering information. But as I've pointed out with this topic there are memory and psychological tests that are worthwhile to further the abduction research.

[Ankhes]

Originally Posted by The Hawk

I know I'm pretty much alone on this but I believe regressive hypnosis is just as reliable than normal memory and sometimes more, if done by an extremely competent hypnotist. Especially when it comes to encounters because the grays just love their deceptive screen memories. It's long since been proven that people under hypnosis can remember many elaborate details such as license plates, and other very specific facts that are consciously not accessible. So people need to stop pretending it's not at least somewhat useful for gathering information. But as I've pointed out with this topic there are memory and psychological tests that are worthwhile to further the abduction research.

You may be right. For myself, however, I was sent to 10 sessions with a hypnotherapist to try and heal an injury once. Even after the 10th session I just COULD NOT "go under" as the doctor wished me to. I really tried and I really wanted to, but I couldn't. He kept telling me that I was under whether I knew it or not. He tried to test me about my 10th birthday and a few other events in my life but I couldn't recall squat, despite all of his elaborate attempts to help me. I had to just give up. Either hypnosis is not all that great for many people, or I am just one of the ones who have no luck with it.

[jritzmann]

Regressive hypnosis has long since been known to be highly suggestive and fantasy prone. The area of the brain dealt with when experiencing regression is the area that handles fantasy situations, not memory recall. There is also a serious issue of cultural contamination which plays heavily into "recalled" memories of abductions.

The person usually going for regressive therapy to recall alien interaction....well...usually already believes they've had it. Couple that with the therapist either unknowingly or purposefully leading a subject and you get the abduction explosion of the late 80's, along with hybrid breeding programs and egg/sperm harvest scenarios.

[Ankhes]

Originally Posted by jritzmann

Regressive hypnosis has long since been known to be highly suggestive and fantasy prone. The area of the brain dealt with when experiencing regression is the area that handles fantasy situations, not memory recall. There is also a serious issue of cultural contamination which plays heavily into "recalled" memories of abductions.

The person usually going for regressive therapy to recall alien interaction....well...usually already believes they've had it. Couple that with the therapist either unknowingly or purposefully leading a subject and you get the abduction explosion of the late 80's, along with hybrid breeding programs and egg/sperm harvest scenarios.

Or people like "Sybil." I read somewhere that a book has come out claiming that the real Sybil and her doctor were not accurate in what was touted as evidence for multiple personalities. I believe that allegations are made that her doctor either intentionally or unintentionally "lead her" to create all those personalities.
Convenient, tho, that these people speak out after Sybil and the doctor are dead and cannot defend themselves.

[The Hawk]

You sound as if you think that part of it came about in the 80s..
It's always been about the transgenic program. There's been ample anecdotal evidence of that since the start. Including those with conscious recall enough to remember being on the ships who had no damn clue what they were witnessing. There are more than 4 procedures described by abductees early on that scientists, hypnotists .. nobody knew they were reproductive, it wasn't until much later that it was discovered that they were. It would be good since I'm making a point here, if I could back it up.. but no sorry. I avoid such specific details, I don't like spreading information in public format that competent hypnotists use as test points. Damned if you do damned if you don't issue I guess..