Tom Vance Paranormal Master Disappears!

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Most of us recall MarsAve a highly esteemed member who came on the scene here in April of 2007 just after the Chad Drone pictures, and before the release of the Rajman1977 pictures the same month. He started his posts with a recap of what the last 40 years have meant to him. His writing was both clear and incisive, delightful, and demonstrated a clear understanding of the issues involved in Ufology, particularly those involving proof :a Keen and open mind.

Working as a professional Photographer many of his videos can be seen on YouTube under the same moniker and also Prominently displayed, Vapor Trails Productions in the movie credits
http://search.live.com/results.aspx?...M=CBPW&first=1

But what makes him really special is that our very own Mars, was able to identify 9 months ago the locations depicted on the slew of fake photos released by the infamous crew known the Isaac Caret Team, or Isaac Caret, bought to us by c2c and Earth files., of who Ty, and Stephen appear to be a part of.
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noted sept 13 2007
The locations were no where near where the hoaxers claimed and LMH of Earth files claimed, Bakersfield and Big Basin., . He knew because he worked the area for 40 years as a PSE n G man, among his other vocations. (Refer to his posts here, just a handful).

After Alerting LMH, who would not respond to him, he made a plea to her back in September asking for advice and help, which elicited a lot of sympathy from us, and left with the defiant understanding he wanted to stop these Hoaxers and Joaxters at all costs, even chastizing himself to near unconsciousness, for not coming out sooner knowing what he knew.

Well, after months went by, and debates continued. , after seeing the craft advertised on TV programs and news this Spring of 2008,was able to get a hold of the the Private Investigators . These investigators, working for an outfit called the Drone Research Team, funded by unknown secret sources, was organized by six people known to be active and fervent believers. They were helped along the way of course, by LMH, to "investigate" the witnesses, and the locations, and any "new sightings".

Well no sooner had he Joined the hunt, the "true" locations were quickly found. The Chad sighting was behind a Middle Eastern restaurant ,known as the Deer Creek Bar and Grill, on Santa Cruz hwy, Ca, and not Lake Tahoe, and the Step/Ty were taken along Big Basin way, at an unsafe precipice, where Bicyclists just do not go. We recall there were 6-12 bicyclists involved between the two groups. The Chad Location revealed that if such a craft, or any craft existed, It would be visible to a heck of a lot of people on the busy highway and the valley residents below.

No mention whatsoever of our Tom was made. NO Kudos, no fanfare
and no declaration of hoax, despite what was revealed by Tom. Every item he posted here was validated in every detail!! But no declaration of hoax.

On a query to member of the DRT, by a close friend of mine, I was told that Tom just faded away, and had fallen in love, or something like that, and did not want to be bothered.

What?! Our Hero Mars? Just fade away , like an old soldier in a Gen. Mcarthur speech, ? after accomplishing more in a few days than a privately funded group of Pis accomplished in over a year, despite the fact the Pis lived 15 minutes away from the restaurant in San Jose, and 20 minutes away from another "witness report "Cam", in Scott Valley, that they came up with for this comical case?evidence found connecting lamps in San Jose to a Lamps in the Raj Picture.? But no one searched San Jose??

Maybe Mars left disgusted, maybe he gave up, maybe something more sinister then falling victim to cupids arrow transpired.. Maybe..... http://yourviews.mercurynews.com/myc...tegoryID=22250
San Jose you say? Yes, thats his new home as of recently hailing from ___ Thats why living in this area for over 40 years he knew what he was talking about.

But Clearly the one walking around now has "changed" after meeting the Pis.

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Well, the villagers waited for their hero Gidot and he never came, So it will be here. We can call the rescue mission off .and recall those StBernards with the whiskey kegs they use in the alps to help the stranded. I could use a stiff drink myself actually.
Mars is not coming back as per Drone investigators as per one of the Drone Team which gives us nothing but second hand hearsay anyway.
So I will leave the thread open just in case anyway.
We have made a lot of headway since his appearance in terms of getting a decent fix on the hoaxters.
I will post that on another thread.
until then regards.

[mike]

i must say i would love to see the hoaxers named and shamed

(cant feed em to lions anymore)

feed em to the chans lol...........

[icculus]

Well stated post, SYS. I used to live near Santa Cruz and I swore that those photos looked like the valley between Los Gatos and Santa Cruz. Now that I live on the East Coast it wasn't practical to look into this. Kudos to Tom for taking this on. I also contacted LMH and got some super-nasty emails back from her. What's up with LMH? She need to be put in her place. Would love to see DB take her on.

[Aaron LeClair]

LMH is set in her ways. David's time is probably better off spent imo.

The drone photos were early on proven to be hoaxes. Or, at the very least highly suspect. Not to piss on Vance for his info. or anything of course.

People come and go. We might see him back someday.

[skunkape]

Linda would probably do well over at Fox news. Her shabby investigative techniques and one-sided, often at the expense of honesty, reporting are all the rage out in 'dem parts. As far as the drone photos go, my well honed bullshit alarm was immediately set off, but there does seem to be an impressive level of sophistication involved. Ubergeeks or Gub'ment Spooks...who knows?

[Gene Steinberg]

Originally Posted by skunkape

Linda would probably do well over at Fox news. Her shabby investigative techniques and one-sided, often at the expense of honesty, reporting are all the rage out in 'dem parts. As far as the drone photos go, my well honed bullshit alarm was immediately set off, but there does seem to be an impressive level of sophistication involved. Ubergeeks or Gub'ment Spooks...who knows?

No cable news network would have her. Their standards aren't that low -- not even MSNBC, which is probably the worst offender of all.

[DrDil]

Originally Posted by icculus

I also contacted LMH and got some super-nasty emails back from her. What's up with LMH? She need to be put in her place.

I’ve raised this issue on several occasions myself…..

Cheers.

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Thanx guys,
LMH was interviewed on a special mystery sci fi series ( 5 episodes scheduled) by a really objective investigator, George Noorey! He even did Whitley too!
And Talking about monkeys picking each others fleas off and grooming, the Sacred Drones were not mentioned once..and two weeks ago LMH talking about secret government documents, gov leaks (paper leaks that is ) at you guessed the Waterhole of ufology, Coast to Coast..and not one honorable mention for Isaac.

As for MarsAve As I mentioned earlier, he may have walked off in disgust rather than expose a former long time acquaintance one of the PIs ..Stuff like that happens..I still thank him for what he did, and that collectively with all the other curiosities, put the skids on this.

I am following still the Alienware link as well... If there ever was a stone wall, its there. All email responses have gone silent after they admitted that the intellectual property rights to the designs. about 3 weeks ago to Fill0000 in correspondence at ATS.
You cannot even google and get an approximate date when the Laptops were on the assembly line . My position is they were ordered for production prior to the Isaac Date.

Quanta is a huge Taiwan-China outfit that does about 80 percent of all notebooks in the world. It did that laptop for Alienware as well as Dell.
Another clue, the Quanta bios, which is specific to that laptop is dated on one m15x laptop,march 2007. That would be about right..for a blueprint design to be ordered and then production work begun on it, and a marketing plan to drum up buzz put in effect as well.and have it out by December. The manual made for that laptop was dated October 16, 2007.
So we have June 26 to October 16, 2007..That is too narrow a window to ask quanta to look at design specs, produce MBs and cases and Lcds, ac adapter/chargers, etc.. which all have to be sourced out too, assembled in different points, So we can be reasonably sure that is very consistent, with the march 2007 bios finding as a realistic window,

Another Clue, Android Jones , former ILM intern, owner of Massive Black fame, that act as a design clearing house for the game industry and others, like EA , Warners, had the exact designs on his work 2 days after the Isaac Release, in Japan while doing work with the series the Illuminated with the Guerilla News Network.
He disavows..any connection to the hoax, in one of his DVDs, saying he picked it up from c2c while in Japan. We know he can crank out work quite quickly,..just look at his DVDs., however i was surprised he had time to peruse c2c, and do all the other things he did while there, as he shows no history in ufology, other than as designer for game companies and DJs , such as Bluetech in Oregon..for whom he did that poster.as well.
I wonder also if the Theft of customers and intellectual property, and money.. at Massive Blacks studio in China, in 2006 by two Chinese employees, could have been a possible source of Isaacs design. Could Alienware or one of its agents, such as SynQ have been one of his clients when this happened.

I honestly don't know, because if this were Alienwares intellectual property, then the Isaac Caret site should theoretically be off line by now..These companies will sue you withinin a hairs breadth of your life, if you even set up a site sounding phonetically like theirs. unless.of course .they were working together from the inception...It is still up..and running.

We are still looking into this..

[mike]

its funny i was thinking about this this morning.
my money is still on the alienware viral that backfired theory.

though the idea the black govt might also pull a stunt like this to confuse the real aliens did pop into my head recently.

as a psych op if i had aliens whos intentions i did not know, id fake another set of aliens whos intentions "they" dont know.... just to keep them guessing and hopefully honest so to speak