The Roswell Poll!

[Gareth]

Originally Posted by Hoffmeister

Not sure, but if Mogul was used as a cover up, i think it was used as a cover up at the time as it really does appear to be what is in the photo with Jesse Marcel. Polygraphs are fairly crap anyway i think

Yeah but Jesse Marcel admitted they changed all that stuff. Thats not the original stuff from the debris field.

You did know that right?

[Aaron LeClair]

Originally Posted by Gareth

Yeah but Jesse Marcel admitted they changed all that stuff. Thats not the original stuff from the debris field.

You did know that right?

The AF's newer story states the debri was switched too if I remember correctly.

[Hoffmeister]

Originally Posted by Aaron LeClair

The AF's newer story states the debri was switched too if I remember correctly.

I knew Jesse said it was switched, i wasnt aware that the AF are now also saying they switched it. What did they apparently switch it to?

[Aaron LeClair]

Originally Posted by Hoffmeister

I knew Jesse said it was switched, i wasnt aware that the AF are now also saying they switched it. What did they apparently switch it to?

Mogul. The wreckage in the pic they say is not the debri of Mogul, but of a weather balloon. if I remember correctly. Some say Mogul was attached to many weather balloons though, so it gets confusing.

I briefly relooked at some of the AF's release statements and couldn't confirm my memory. So, I could be wrong. I'm Roswelled out and so I don't keep up with it as much these days and just working off somewhat distant memory.

[Gareth]

Its beyond obvious that whatever it was that day, it was NOT mogul.

Did you guys see Kevin Randles latest blog post?



A Different Perspective: More Bad News for Mogul

[Hoffmeister]

I certainly don't think anything is beyond doubt in the roswell case.

Here's what I think most likely happened.

Project mogul crashed on the land. The wreckage was mis-identified as a flying saucer as it was right in the middle of a national flying saucer outbreak and a number of sightings had been seen recently.
Perhaps one person initially mis-identified it and the others were led by this mis-identification. They took it to the army base and the press release was given. Then when it was realised that it was mogul and a disk they changed their story and put the other press release out.
I don't think the wreckage was changed (unless Aarons earlier statement is confirmed) and believe that was fabricated in Jesse Marcels mind, not neccesarily intentionally.
And that where the disk story all breaks down for me, if Jesse was wrong and they didnt switch the wreckage, then it seems almost certain that it was just mogul. Not only would he not nessecarily remember but he had motive to change his story. All the other people who suddenly remembered or decided to talk all those years later just can't be trusted as valid witnesses imo.
So thats why i think it was mogul.

I welcome any corrections to the 'facts' in my timeline, and please don't flame as its just my opinion.

[Hoffmeister]

Originally Posted by Aaron LeClair

What's the point in coming to conclusions about Roswell Hoff?

Well on the one hand there is no point as we'll never know for sure.
But at the same point in time, we'll never know for sure about any of the paranormal stuff, so if you use the previous reasoning, we might as well all pack our pots and pans and stop talking about all this for good.

So in answer to your question:
1. I'm just intersted in other peoples opinions
2. As mentioned in some other posts, i'm not the sort of person who can just say "oh we'll never know" and then have all the thoughts swishing round in my head. I need to try and come to some sort of conclusion or i never sleep!

[Aaron LeClair]

Originally Posted by Hoffmeister

Well on the one hand there is no point as we'll never know for sure.
But at the same point in time, we'll never know for sure about any of the paranormal stuff, so if you use the previous reasoning, we might as well all pack our pots and pans and stop talking about all this for good.

So in answer to your question:
1. I'm just intersted in other peoples opinions
2. As mentioned in some other posts, i'm not the sort of person who can just say "oh we'll never know" and then have all the thoughts swishing round in my head. I need to try and come to some sort of conclusion or i never sleep!

In time, unless you're righteous, You'll learn to say you don't know.

[fitzbew88]

Originally Posted by Hoffmeister

Perhaps one person initially mis-identified it and the others were led by this mis-identification. They took it to the army base and the press release was given.

Yeah, if it was weather balloon-type material (neoprene, aluminum foil, balsa wood, etc..) it was mis-identified by more than one person.

Brazel was apparently dumbfounded by it, along with a few of his neighbors. The Sheriff in Roswell was dumbfounded enough by it to call the AAF. The AAF was dumbfounded enough by it to send two officers on an overnight excursion to check it out. The AAF felt justified in the original press release, and then felt compelled to fly the junk (whatever it was) to Houston, then on to Wright-Patterson. Which was a very odd thing to do for junk.

Originally Posted by Hoffmeister

I don't think the wreckage was changed (unless Aarons earlier statement is confirmed) and believe that was fabricated in Jesse Marcels mind, not neccesarily intentionally.

Well, the switch at the photo shoot was [weakly] corroborated by General Dubose, who was on Roger Ramey's staff at 8th Air Force. But Dubose seemed to contradict himself. (I believe Aaron has already linked to Kevin Randle's lengthy blog entry about this issue.)

Randle also reports that one of the photographers present had some kind've "impression" that the debris was switched --- although there is not much info on this.

My own eyes are skeptical that the debris in the photos has been exposed to the desert for weeks. It looks very clean and "crisp".

So the possibility of a switch at the photo shoot is not totally in Marcel's head, but it does still remain in the Gray Basket.

Originally Posted by Hoffmeister

And that where the disk story all breaks down for me, if Jesse was wrong and they didnt switch the wreckage, then it seems almost certain that it was just mogul.

Whether it was Mogul or something paranormal, the debris had cause to be switched. So the fact of a switch does not help us get to the truth.

If we know that it was *not* switched, then that does help us.

Originally Posted by Hoffmeister

Not only would he not nessecarily remember but he had motive to change his story. All the other people who suddenly remembered or decided to talk all those years later just can't be trusted as valid witnesses imo.

No doubt memory is a malleable thing, but our efforts are somewhat buoyed by the fact that we know that something was found and that it caused a lot of excitement.

We're forced to choose between a set of outrageous choices: a paranormal vehicle crashed in the desert, or a long line of men grossly misidentified very mundane materials.

Neither of these is a good choice.

[Hoffmeister]

Originally Posted by fitzbew88

My own eyes are skeptical that the debris in the photos has been exposed to the desert for weeks. It looks very clean and "crisp".

Hey thats actually a really good point, i never thought of that