The Roswell Poll!

[Hoffmeister]

The thing is, for me the entire explanation fits mogul except for one small detail which could easily be down to human error. The description of the material sounds like mogul, the photos of the material is definately mogul everything.
The only thing that would suggest its not mogul is that I think it was Jesse said they switched the material, and he's the one who got famous out of the story so of course he would say that.
To me it seems so clearly mogul...

[Drew UK]

I think I have already mentioned this in a previous post:

July 7 1947 - Roswell Incident
July 12 1947 - Marshall Plan - not accepted by USSR.

My instinct says given the date and timing - I feel that this could have been a Psyop strategy by the US and USSR.

[Hoffmeister]

Well so far almost everyone has selected 'i dont know', and in truth of course no-one knows. As for the other selections, its very even all round.
I think it is the exact reason why the debate/legend/argument continues, because nobody really has any clue.

In summary, I think it comes down to two key areas.

1. Are the MJ12 documents real
2. Was Jesse Marcel telling the truth about how the debris was switched

If the documents are real, then its likely a craft really crashed. If they arent real, but Jesse was telling the truth, or was correct in his assesment of the situation, the again its likely the craft crashed and they found it. If the documents are faked, and Jesse was either lying or he didnt assess the situation correctly, then its likely nothing really crashed and it was mogul or some other situation... of course all of this is my opinion and there could have been other crashes

Sadly, we'll probably never know.. but once i have finished the last few chapters of Dolans book, i'll start on a copy of Stan Friedmans latest.

By the way, wasnt there some sort of paracast deal for his book?
I want to make sure i order it direct from him so the guy gets as much of a markup on the money as possible, i would have done the same with Dolan if i wasnt so impatient about recieving it quickly.

[Siani]

I opted for 'don't know'. Although I feel something came down in the desert, so much time has passed, and so many conflicting stories told, that I doubt we can ever uncover the truth behind Roswell. The whole issue has also been flogged to death by various parties, often to push their personal agendas, further adding to the intrigue and confusion surrounding the whole pantomime.

If an alien craft really did come down, no-one's going to be admitting that any time soon. And even if the crashed saucer theory could be utterly disproven, many die-hards would still refuse to accept it, and insist on clinging to their holy grail of ufology. My personal feeling is that too many people have pinned all their hopes on Roswell as the make or break case of ufology, THE case that will prove or disprove the existence of ET. For that reason alone, I'd prefer to see research moving on from Roswell, and heading elsewhere instead.

[dusty]

Though I realise this incident was two years after the war. I can still see the possibility of this being the remains of a japanese Fu-go balloon.

Not one that had been hanging around for two years up in the jet stream. But perhaps one that had been launched much nearer the date of the crash at Roswell.

http://desertdarkness.blogspot.com/2...-balloons.html

Mark

[Gareth]

Originally Posted by Hoffmeister

Well so far almost everyone has selected 'i dont know', and in truth of course no-one knows. As for the other selections, its very even all round.
I think it is the exact reason why the debate/legend/argument continues, because nobody really has any clue.

In summary, I think it comes down to two key areas.

1. Are the MJ12 documents real
2. Was Jesse Marcel telling the truth about how the debris was switched

If the documents are real, then its likely a craft really crashed. If they arent real, but Jesse was telling the truth, or was correct in his assesment of the situation, the again its likely the craft crashed and they found it. If the documents are faked, and Jesse was either lying or he didnt assess the situation correctly, then its likely nothing really crashed and it was mogul or some other situation... of course all of this is my opinion and there could have been other crashes

Sadly, we'll probably never know.. but once i have finished the last few chapters of Dolans book, i'll start on a copy of Stan Friedmans latest.

By the way, wasnt there some sort of paracast deal for his book?
I want to make sure i order it direct from him so the guy gets as much of a markup on the money as possible, i would have done the same with Dolan if i wasnt so impatient about recieving it quickly.

If you want to read about Roswell/MJ12 youre probably better off getting his other books first. While Flying Saucers and Science does deal with the stuff, its not nearly as detailed.

I thnk theyre called Crash at Corona, and Top Secret Majic.

[Hoffmeister]

Originally Posted by Siani

I opted for 'don't know'. Although I feel something came down in the desert, so much time has passed, and so many conflicting stories told, that I doubt we can ever uncover the truth behind Roswell. The whole issue has also been flogged to death by various parties, often to push their personal agendas, further adding to the intrigue and confusion surrounding the whole pantomime.

If an alien craft really did come down, no-one's going to be admitting that any time soon. And even if the crashed saucer theory could be utterly disproven, many die-hards would still refuse to accept it, and insist on clinging to their holy grail of ufology. My personal feeling is that too many people have pinned all their hopes on Roswell as the make or break case of ufology, THE case that will prove or disprove the existence of ET. For that reason alone, I'd prefer to see research moving on from Roswell, and heading elsewhere instead.

I think the reason people keep going back to Roswell, is because it is the incident which determines how much the government knows.
If the Roswell incident had never happened, then we would be left with the usual denials which we all know the government is just giving as a knee jerk response to stop people going mad. Its nothing particularly exciting, of course they are going to deny it.

However, Roswell was right at the begginning of the UFO wave, and if there was a real cover up there, then it shows that the government has a real hidden agenda, with a massive infra-structure around hidding it.
In short, it is the ultimate conspiracy theory. Forget JFK, forget 911...
Having a craft from another world, and keeping it hidden whilst still studying it in great detail for 60 odd years is some conspiracy

Its the conspiracy that keeps people coming back. Peiople love a conspiracy, and without Roswell, it makes the whole situation much less of a conspiracy and mnre a case of the government basically being as bewildered as everyone else.

[Irishseekers]

The mogul ballon theory, was a clever ploy adopted by the goverment in 1947 which enabled the cover up? It is my opinion, but i cant base that on fact, because i dont know.

Military and civilian analysts are not stupid most of the time lol. In 1947 they probably did have a crash of sometype of craft?

They probably looked at the witness statements around the time of the crash? what material would resemble what the witness's described? below is a conversation that might have took place lol this a silly version of course, if there was a conversation, it probably more sophisticated than the one i have presented lol


A silvery ballon..... military analyst to a general..... We found lots of silvery mterial scattered all over the countryside...(.G)you did....((ma)ya.....(G)ok.......what have we got that we could present to the American audience that is similar?..(.ma)well ....pause(ma)......(ma)project mogul sir we carryed out tests on this ballon recently sir ,and we could match it up with the material that the witness's saw, that might work? plus sir individuals who worked on project mogul will be our alibi . (G)lol.... great yes put it into action so, but keep it at a need to know basis(ma) Yes sir.


The military has changed the story from a weather ballon to dummies. Look they are clearly covering up something, why change there story, if they had notting to hide?

Jesse marcel, siad he father showed him some material from the crash?


A question? Has jesse marcel ever taken a polygraph test?

[Hoffmeister]

Originally Posted by Irishseekers

The mogul ballon theory, was a clever ploy adopted by the goverment in 1947 which enabled the cover up? It is my opinion, but i cant base that on fact, because i dont know.

Military and civilian analysts are not stupid most of the time lol. In 1947 they probably did have a crash of sometype of craft?

They probably looked at the witness statements around the time of the crash? what material would resemble what the witness's described? below is a conversation that might have took place lol version of course, if there was a conversation, it probably more sophisticated than the one i have presented lol


A silvery ballon..... military analyst to a general..... We found lots of silvery mterial scattered all over the countryside...(.G)you did....((ma)ya.....(G)ok.......what have we got that we could present to the American audience that is similar?..(.ma)well ....pause(ma)......(ma)project mogul sir we carryed out tests on this ballon recently sir ,and we could match it up with the material that the witness's saw, that might work? plus sir individuals who worked on project mogul will be our alibi . (G)lol.... great yes put it into action so, but keep it at a need to know basis(ma) Yes sir.


The military has changed the story from a weather ballon to dummies. Look they are clearly covering up something, why change there story, if they had notting to hide?

Jesse marcel, siad he father showed him some material from the crash?


A question? Has jesse marcel ever taken a polygraph test?

Not sure, but if Mogul was used as a cover up, i think it was used as a cover up at the time as it really does appear to be what is in the photo with Jesse Marcel. Polygraphs are fairly crap anyway i think

[Irishseekers]

Ya we have a weather ballon in the picture. But the military has changed their story once again to a new version that contains dummies lol.
It almost seems like they are clueless themselves?