Spaceship & City on the Moon, or elaberate hoax?

[Miah]

This guy is posting videos he claims are from the supposedly not-so-canceled Apollo 20 mission, showing a ship and a city on the moon:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=retiredafb

The picture of the spaceship area of the moon seems to show the same object and the craters around it seem consistant. If it is fake, it is entertaining.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/ap...e/?AS15-P-9625

"Videos of the boldest and most secret apollo mission. Apollo 20 went to the moon august 16 1976. Destination was Iszak D, southwest of Delporte Crater, farside of the moon. The mission was soviet-american. Crew was William Rutledge CDR, former of bell laboratories, leona snyder CSP bell laboratories, and alexei leonov, soviet cosmonaut former "apollo soyouz" (mission one year earlier). Station 1 on the moon was "the city"; Station two was "the ship". During the four EVA, LMP and CDR brought technical objects from the ship and a body, on of the two pilots of the alien spaceship. The body, the city and the ship were very old, age has been estimated 1.5 billion of years. Meteorit impacts, and dust/hills coverings testified that. Note that the ship has already been explored before the first human expedition reached the lunar singularity."

[Aaron LeClair]

Footage doesn't look like it's from 76, and even looks doctored.

I didn't see anything that even remotely looked like cities.

The guy joined the site Apr 1.......

[BrandonD]

Very interesting, you can definitely see the exact same object in the Apollo Image Atlas, but blurred. That part is compelling.

The city part, however, is much more dubious. It really looks like just a painting that the camera is panning along.

My guess based on available data: This is either a complete hoax, or real info (ship) mixed with disinfo (city).

The guy mentions that the US gov will have to come clean with this information before Sep 2007. Wonder what he means by this? I guess it's a good way to cross this guy off the list for sure, if Sep comes and goes and nothing happens.

Originally Posted by Miah

This guy is posting videos he claims are from the supposedly not-so-canceled Apollo 20 mission, showing a ship and a city on the moon:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=retiredafb

The picture of the spaceship area of the moon seems to show the same object and the craters around it seem consistant. If it is fake, it is entertaining.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/ap...e/?AS15-P-9625

"Videos of the boldest and most secret apollo mission. Apollo 20 went to the moon august 16 1976. Destination was Iszak D, southwest of Delporte Crater, farside of the moon. The mission was soviet-american. Crew was William Rutledge CDR, former of bell laboratories, leona snyder CSP bell laboratories, and alexei leonov, soviet cosmonaut former "apollo soyouz" (mission one year earlier). Station 1 on the moon was "the city"; Station two was "the ship". During the four EVA, LMP and CDR brought technical objects from the ship and a body, on of the two pilots of the alien spaceship. The body, the city and the ship were very old, age has been estimated 1.5 billion of years. Meteorit impacts, and dust/hills coverings testified that. Note that the ship has already been explored before the first human expedition reached the lunar singularity."

[MarsAve]

Fake - why would the have a 'most secret' Mission and label it Apollo 20-complete with a patch!. Doesn't add up. That would be evidence in 1976 that could have been lost and exposed the Mission-Any qualified research Intern could backtrack that, and start asking questions. I have a real hard time discerning photos on the Moon and such that say there are Cities,,,I just don't see it, I also have no space camera-photo interpretive training--....though I feel it is possible there may be items on the Moon we need to re-look at-, but I'm really gonna have to be convinced.....plus I'd like to see more photos available on higher res.....plus I am always wary of photoshopped Hoaxes...

MarsAve

[Miah]

I contacted him and got this strange response:
"Communication check for the Apollo 20 Mission

Thanks for your interest for the Apollo 20 mission. I receive many request from viewers. I can communicate with some of them, and I wish to establish a regular and good communication.

Here are some questions, don’t be offended, it is a way for me to establish priority for the correspondance. These questions and answers will be useful for me to authentify myself, I will include in the next step a linguistic and historic mark.

I will answer to every question about every fact of the mission, if I’m sure to have a penpal who has a good knowledge of the Apollo program, and who can investigate and find some of the failures in the Nasa-Usaf communication.

A website will be opened, with some major facts, pdf flight plans, lunar maps , scans of the 70mm hasselblad views. The actual tapes are numerized in a country who has poor video and 16 mm transfer possibilities.

What is the original name of the Apollo 204 mission.

What officially happened to the LM-15

What is the date of the end of fabrication of the two last Saturn V SA-514 and SA-515
(date of realease of the S-IVB)

What happened to these two Saturn V

What is the noun-verb inputs for displaying the MET time on the DSKY

About hi technology used now in space;
Which singuliar material is exhausted by the American Aurora space plane
What is the speed of ejection out of the main motors
What is the maximal altitude reachable by the aurora plane with two additional solid rockets

Return mail address: numberthx1139@yahoo.com"

[Miah]

I see that David already said this on ATS:

"In my professional opinion, the fabricated portion of this footage is obvious. My trained eyes see all of the problems, and if you google me, you'll have a basic understanding of my credentials and how they support my conclusion.

This is FAR from an "extraordinary feat", and was accomplished by someone with a tabletop, some modeling chops and After Effects.

Believe whatever you like. This is a hoax.

dB"

[David Biedny]

Originally Posted by Miah

I see that David already said this on ATS:

"In my professional opinion, the fabricated portion of this footage is obvious. My trained eyes see all of the problems, and if you google me, you'll have a basic understanding of my credentials and how they support my conclusion.

This is FAR from an "extraordinary feat", and was accomplished by someone with a tabletop, some modeling chops and After Effects.

Believe whatever you like. This is a hoax.

dB"

Indeed. It's fabricated. Why do people seem to find this footage to be compelling? It's so obviously faked that I laughed when I first saw it.

Jeez....

And that email the guy sent to Miah seals it.

I call a hoax on the whole thing.

dB

[Schuyler]

Yup. he claims to be the American Commander of the mission and can "authentify" himself.

[dorkbot]

I think I'll wait to see some exquisite scans from the Hassleblad. If they are ever posted my guess would be that they will be "scanned" with my first grade teacher's mimeograph machine.

[Aaron LeClair]

Originally Posted by Schuyler

Yup. he claims to be the American Commander of the mission and can "authentify" himself.

That's my new favorite word. I been saying it aloud all day. Authentify, authentify, authentify, authentify, authentify....