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Old 05-07-2008, 04:12 AM
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Default Roswell Crash Staged by Military Industrial Complex?

To me ... a lot of things about the supposed crash of a ufo at Roswell don't make a lot of sense ... unless you look at it as a staged event by humans for whatever reason ... more about that later ...

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Has anyone ever talked about witnessing the "craft" during it's descent ... ?

I could be mistaken but i don't think so ... so the wreckage has all sorts of time to be "arranged".

If a craft did come down in a sensitive area such as this (8 miles from an Air Force Base) .. wouldn't it be tracked on radar and monitored immediately ... and the site swarming with military within minutes?

Now for the ufo itself ... it never jived with me that an interstellar craft that had to make it's way halfway across the galaxy for all we know ... a highly super advanced technology by any stretch of the imagination ... ends up "crashing" on a third rate planet ... To me ... the aliens and their technology would be so advanced that the likelyhood of this happening would be zero. They wouldn't be roaming the universe in Edsels ....

Now ...if you must insist that ufo crashes are possible ... you mean to tell me that no one came to their rescue from their own species within seconds or minutes? ...
So they can manipulate space and time but they don't have a distress call or a gps beacon? ...

I can see it now ... it's right out of a bad science fiction movie. The aliens run out of dilithium crystals ... their spaceboat goes out of control and crashes just lightly enough for some debris to be strewn about and the occupants are able to crawl out of the wreck before they die ...

Then a Base Commander takes it upon himself ... without any consultation to his higher authorities ... to release ... all by himself ... the earth shattering news that would change history forever ... that a crashed flying saucer has been recovered.
Mighty brave decision there bucko ... Of course he is allowed to change his mind later ... how convenient ...

The whole thing smells very "terrestrial" if you ask me ... and of course the question would be ... why would the military (and industrial complex) stage something like this ...

First of all .. you have to know that these people are very very smart. They know how to manipulate public opinion and thought. They have been at it for a long time.
People underestimate their conniving and wickedness.

My theory is that they wanted to "plant" an image of aliens in the populace. A very primitive one ... one that shows that aliens are kind of like us ... they "drive" spaceships that crash ... they kind of look like us in a way too. Once the image is planted ... we can be manipulated in the way we perceive them ... as enemies for example.

Maybe we don't need these enemies right now ... but the military industrial complex has this scenario to pull out of its hat if it's necessary. All it has to do is change its story about Roswell and say they were "protecting" us from worrying about the intent of the aliens ..

When you talk about the weaponization of space and Werner Von Braun's supposed statements about aliens next on the "hit" list after terrorists ... it might be something to think about ...

Or I could be wrong ... but maybe not ... whatever ...
Personally I think earth based technology is the source of any "primitive" ufo's we see and for any negative personal experiences ..

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Old 05-07-2008, 11:28 AM
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Why would thin like aluminumish metal, that has amazing toughness, be crashed and wrecked over a debri field if it is so strong?
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Old 05-07-2008, 05:36 PM
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Why would thin like aluminumish metal, that has amazing toughness, be crashed and wrecked over a debri field if it is so strong?
If you are talking about the material that mends itself back together, then, yes, why didn't the entire craft just mend itself back together and fly off?
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For example ...
Has anyone ever talked about witnessing the "craft" during it's descent ... ?

If a craft did come down in a sensitive area such as this (8 miles from an Air Force Base) .. wouldn't it be tracked on radar and monitored immediately ... and the site swarming with military within minutes?
This was and still is a very remote part of New Mexico. In 1947 the only radar in the area was in Alamogordo New Mexico (over 100 miles from Roswell.) and had an effective range about 100 miles. Depending on what theory you choose to subscribe, there were up to three "sites" attributed to this crash. They can be arranged in a loose arc from Roswell to Corona. Most of these ranges are over the 100 mile effective range of the radar of that era. Some accounts have the bulk of the crash located near the town of Corona. This would have been on the far edge of the radars range. This would explain the rapid military presence at the real crash site. (if you subscribe to this part of the story) Many have suggested that the debris field that sparked the proliferation of the story was simply unknown to the Army at the time. Due to security compartmentalization Roswell staff wasn’t notified of the real crash and not until later did the informed realize the need to squash the story. There are about a million versions of this and who really knows.

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Now for the ufo itself ... it never jived with me that an interstellar craft that had to make it's way halfway across the galaxy for all we know ... a highly super advanced technology by any stretch of the imagination ... ends up "crashing" on a third rate planet ... To me ... the aliens and their technology would be so advanced that the likelyhood of this happening would be zero. They wouldn't be roaming the universe in Edsels ....
You have a misconception here. Higher technology does not mean perfect technology. Technology is by its nature improvement on failure. An alien race may have a higher degree of technology then we, but that does not mean that technology has been designed to withstand all the variables a given situation can throw at it. I wrote a post here many moons ago that turned this perspective around. Here is the post. It is rather long, but I think it illustrates my point well. Here is the post.

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Now ...if you must insist that ufo crashes are possible ... you mean to tell me that no one came to their rescue from their own species within seconds or minutes? ...
So they can manipulate space and time but they don't have a distress call or a gps beacon? ...
Now we are really into speculation territory. Maybe they did. Perhaps the distress call went out and it took time. Perhaps the emergency happend too quickly and the system failed. Probably as a result of the headline story, but I have been told that UFO sightings in New Mexico increased in the weeks and months following the crash date. If this is true, the case can be argued that a search was underway.

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Then a Base Commander takes it upon himself ... without any consultation to his higher authorities ... to release ... all by himself ... the earth shattering news that would change history forever ... that a crashed flying saucer has been recovered.
Mighty brave decision there bucko ... Of course he is allowed to change his mind later ... how convenient ...
Yeah, this is an odd situation. However, if you read the entire lore surrounding this event and the alleged series of events it starts to make sense. The larger crash near Corona was attracting more attention. The Army had removed a few groups of civilians from the area and needed a diversion. The Air Force and the Army has called Col. William Blanchard a "hot head" and a "loose cannon". Yet, he died of a heart attack while at his desk in the pentagon. Oh, by the way he was the Vice Chief of Staff for the Air Force and held a 4 star general rank at the time. He was also earmarked for a position on the Joint Chiefs of Staff. If he was a "loose cannon" and a "hot head" how was he in command of the only Nuclear armed base in the world in 1947 (Roswell Army Air Field) and continually prompted through the ranks to one of the highest positions in the Air Force. I have also read that he was the first pilot selected to drop the H-bomb on the Japanese but was later replaced because of illness. To say this guy just haphazardly released this information does not compute.

If you want to really get into this, start reading about it. However, I'll warn you, it is going to be a frustrating experience. If you like, myself and others here can recommend a cadre of books on the subject that are worth reading. I think no other subject illustrates the issues of ego vs cooperation and research vs speculation more than the Roswell stuff. I have ping-ponged about 3 times on whether this was a UFO event or not. The Roswell stuff is hard to wrap your mind around. There is a bunch of data mixed with supposition and male bovine excrement. There is more stuff being looked into surrounding the Mogul balloon explanation. It seems that the Air Force say that it was most likely flight 5 that was the culprit for the debris field. However, there are some recent findings that suggest flight 5 was cancelled and never occurred. I only mention this to show that there are holes everywhere in this story. All we know for sure is that "something" happened. And, I think that is all we will every really know.
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