Nonfiction UFO/alien books

[The Hawk]

(supposedly nonfiction)

People's favorites?

Me personally; at this current time, I'm mainly looking for facts/evidence related books or history. I couldn't list all the ones I have read. The last book I read was Richard Dolan's book. I'm looking forward to his next volume which will be out soon, I think.

Has anyone here read?:
http://www.alienhunter.org/products.htm
I've been wanting to read Sims one book, I think it's relatively new..

This book sounds very impressive, may buy it.. Sort of ashame it's 1995.
http://www.amazon.com/Alien-Discussi...190500-8454459

[fitzbew88]

My faves:

1) "Shockingly Close to the Truth" - everybody should read this book about UFOLOGY history before reading anything else. So that the person can be in the right frame of mind as they wade through everything else.
2) "The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects" by Capt. E.J. Ruppelt - instead of speculating about what the gov't/military knows about UFOs (at least historically), read about their investigations first-hand.
3) "Night Siege" - J. A. Hynek (and others) recounting of their investigation into the Hudson River Valley sightings.
4) "The Canadian UFO Report" - Christ Rutkowski. A sensible no-nonsense discussion of historical and modern Canadian UFO reports.

NICAP has some great stuff on their web site (Ruppelt's book is online there).

http://www.nicap.org

[Noanswers]

Hawk,
Thanks for the suggestion and link to the abduction book. It looks very interesting, I may may pick-up a copy myself.

I continue to lean towards Vallee's books.
Currently I'm revisiting Dimensions after many years since I last read it. It's one of those books (at least for me) where every time I re-read it, I find something new and fascinating.

Has anyone ever thougt of doing something like a book club on here? We could agree on a title, knock back a chapter in a week and discusses it the next week while we were reading the chapter for the next week.
Just a thought.

[neuromancer]

Originally Posted by Noanswers

Hawk,
Thanks for the suggestion and link to the abduction book. It looks very interesting, I may may pick-up a copy myself.

I continue to lean towards Vallee's books.
Currently I'm revisiting Dimensions after many years since I last read it. It's one of those books (at least for me) where every time I re-read it, I find something new and fascinating.

Has anyone ever thougt of doing something like a book club on here? We could agree on a title, knock back a chapter in a week and discusses it the next week while we were reading the chapter for the next week.
Just a thought.

Valle's books are excellent! i also had the same feeling when i read his books the second or third time!

[neuromancer]

Originally Posted by The Hawk

(supposedly nonfiction)

People's favorites?

Me personally; at this current time, I'm mainly looking for facts/evidence related books or history. I couldn't list all the ones I have read. The last book I read was Richard Dolan's book. I'm looking forward to his next volume which will be out soon, I think.

Has anyone here read?:
http://www.alienhunter.org/products.htm
I've been wanting to read Sims one book, I think it's relatively new..

This book sounds very impressive, may buy it.. Sort of ashame it's 1995.
http://www.amazon.com/Alien-Discussi...190500-8454459

The abduction conference report from MIT was highly publicized here in Germany at that time! i remember seeing some talk shows where they discussed the abduction phenomenon!

i listened to Sims at blackvault sometime back and he said that it might take some time before the book makes it to amazon! Though his interviews are pretty gud and entertaining sometimes, i have to admit, he doesnt come of as completeley legit! what do u folks think?

[The Hawk]

I think sims is legit but the fact that he was abducted himself many times when young makes him bias with the phenomenon. I've seen one of his hypnosis sessions though, I must say it seemed very impressive and he didn't lead the person on in the least.

[Aaron LeClair]

Originally Posted by The Hawk

(supposedly nonfiction)

People's favorites?

Me personally; at this current time, I'm mainly looking for facts/evidence related books or history. I couldn't list all the ones I have read. The last book I read was Richard Dolan's book. I'm looking forward to his next volume which will be out soon, I think.

Has anyone here read?:
http://www.alienhunter.org/products.htm
I've been wanting to read Sims one book, I think it's relatively new..

This book sounds very impressive, may buy it.. Sort of ashame it's 1995.
http://www.amazon.com/Alien-Discussi...190500-8454459

I haven't read alien hunter because I'm already very familiar with what's in it via other means. It's worth reading if you aren't familiar with Derrell's work however.

That exact MIT conference book? Same as with Derrell. I only recommend it if you want to get a broad understanding of cliche's in abductions, sleep paralysis, lore, and the occasional legit (seemingly) cases. Most are weak, or mediocre in my view. Good for epistemological reasons though.

My recommendations. Budd Hopkins Missing Time, Intruders, Witness. I haven't read Sight Unseen yet. Not sure I will. Secret Life by David Jacobs. Anything by Ed Walters and Bruce Maccabee, or Jerome Clark. Ray Fowler is sometimes good. I didn't care for the Watchers, but if I remember correctly he has a book on the Allagash Abductions which is good. Been a long time though.

Oh yes. Whitley Strieber's Breakthrough and Transformation.


There's no good NEW abduction books so far as I can tell.

[The Hawk]

I like that Sims is all about finding evidence and has a lot of it..
But I just listened to his interview in January with "Paranormal Cafe" and there are some gut reaction problems I have with his world view; that he expressed in that interview.
1. He seems to be a creationist (spare me)
2. He has some sort of vast conspiracy theory that aliens brought down nearly every major civilization. (right)
So I'm much more hesitant to buy one of his books now..

I think I'll check out David Jacobs 2nd book.

[neuromancer]

Originally Posted by The Hawk

I like that Sims is all about finding evidence and has a lot of it..
But I just listened to his interview in January with "Paranormal Cafe" and there are some gut reaction problems I have with his world view; that he expressed in that interview.
1. He seems to be a creationist (spare me)
2. He has some sort of vast conspiracy theory that aliens brought down nearly every major civilization. (right)
So I'm much more hesitant to buy one of his books now..

I think I'll check out David Jacobs 2nd book.

right on target! the creationism angle that he talked about was bs! and he's got a book coming out alrite, but when he was asked about some details about his work, he answered 'read my book' and stuff! and the whole Roswell intentional crash viewpoint was also hard to digest! sometime back i read some reports of some medical surgeons from here in Europe, and from Israel debunking some of his claims regarding the physical evidence that he claimed to have uncovered. the reports were detailed and debunked his claims on a poin to point basis. i wasn't interested in reading thro all of that since i have problems in general with the whole abduction phenomenon! i guess i might have a copy somewhere! if i find it i will surely post it here!

[neuromancer]

here's one from the virtuallystrange mailing list! a doctor from Israel talks about Sims' visit to Israel!

Derrel Sims in Israel - Fwd
From: Francisco Lopez
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:10:18 -0400 (EDT)
Fwd Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:43:30 -0400
Subject: Derrel Sims in Israel - Fwd

From: Virgil Priscu

I think I have to react to the above mentioned posting because I feel that
people with interest in the UFO field can be mislead by the information
presented.

I am a physician, specialist in anesthesiology, head of a Department in
a teaching hospital in Israel. I have also a long time interest in UFO
phenomena.

I had the opportunity to meet Mr. Derrel Sims personally during a recent
visit he made in Israel.At that occasion he presented in front of a small
audience some of the results of his research.

Let me point out some details:

Dr. R. Lear, Mr. Sims' collaborator is not a physician (MD), and much less
a "surgeon", but a podiatrist (licenced to make small surgical
interventions on the foot only.)

Mr Simms could be a "qualified Hypnotherapist" - I do not know.

What I know for sure is that Mr Sims stories have medical inaccuracies
regarding details of the operations performed for the removals of what he
and his organisation (FIRST) claims to be "implants" (with all the
implications of this term -in the way it is used -namely implying to
describe an object manufactured by extraterrestrial beings with the purpose
of monitoring/controling humans, etc.)

Absolutely no evidence of such was presented by Mr. Sims at the
presentation which I personally witnessed. I could add that he became
visibly disturbed when I asked him specific questions regarding the
alleged "implants" and he gave inadequate answers regarding such specific
topics as the dose of local anesthetic used for the extraction of the so
called "implants".

I specifically asked him to provide me with color slides of the actual
pathological specimens that he extracted from the subjects studied. He
declined under various motives.

No other evidence or specimen was available to my specific request. I
asked him for such because I have the possibility to made them examined by
some of my friends either in the pathology Dpt of my Medical Center, The
Forensic Medical Institute at Abu Kabir or at The Weizmann Institute in
Rehovot - Israel.

No specimen, pathological slide or other material was available from Mr.
Sims for examination by an independent specialist or laboratory - as I have
asked.

I am afraid that all claims made by Mr Sims or his associates have not
been confirmed or underwent a pair review process, therefore I personally
have serious doubts as to the veracity of those claims.

I would like to emphasize that I am a physician with about 20 years of
experience in the operating room, in the field of anesthesiology and
emergency medicine. I know a thing or two about what we call "Foreign
Bodies" (FB) found quite often, especially in the feet of some
unsuspecting patients by an incidental X Ray made for another purpose. They
get there by a variety of methods : waking or playing bare foot on the
beach, grass etc, and not noticing when the FB is getting in. (during
a fall, running, getting hurt by some other bigger object from which a
small splinter can get into one's foot and remain there for many, many
years under the skin - until sometimes they are discovered by chance
while some other physician or medical practitioner - like a podiatrist - is
examining the patient for another, unrelated complain - and sometimes X Ray
their feet!) If it is a substance that degrade slowly, then after
years only a small notch of"reaction" tissue remains in the place of the
former FB. It is composed of human tissue components - etc.. No mystery, no
"implants".

This is my two cents of caution about the above mentioned subject.

I firmly belive that "UFO phenomena" exist.

I also firmly belive that meticulous research by competent persons is the
way to the truth.

Sincerely yours:

Virgil Priscu MD

priscuv@shani.net

and here's the link to the same post at virtuallystrange!

http://virtuallystrange.net/ufo/upda.../m15-015.shtml