Robert Hastings...

[Drew UK]

So why the aloofness?..........

The ability to conceal and hide our weaknesses is an important consideration to make in the power dynamic?

Invisibility is king on the road to infallability.
Too much exposure can reveal too much about us, and can generate distrust, amusement and eventually disrespect. Once information is generated about one, it can be displayed (truthfully or not) and used against one's interests (Queens English).
For those in a power heirachy when was the last time your CEO came to visit you? - what was his interaction towards you? Did you sense the hide? did you sense "ok, I like you, but at a distant?".

I call this the "god scenario" - so long as he doesn't appear he has popular support, soon as he pop's out of his cloud he'll be front page news, ratings will go down and he'll be put to the cross: cause I know better, now that I know what you are - my judgement is superior now we are on the same level!!. (You don't have to be read a bible to get this point - the daily rag will be sufficient).

I could talk about this in depth, about the concealment of power and wealth and to "back seat drive" away from prying eyes - but this is more in the conspiracy arena than in the UFO arena.

So the last topic on the aloofness regarding the UFO arena is this ...
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I will come onto your point CapnG

[CapnG]

Originally Posted by Drew UK

Who's going to stop it some FOO FIGHTERS out of world war II?

If they wanted to, yes. They've already demonstrated that they can and do and will interfere with our nukes whenever the hell they damn well please.

Plus I don't get the WW2 reference. Are you implying that the craft that demonstrated THEN that they were superior to anything we have NOW are somehow antiquaited?

Originally Posted by Drew UK

What do they care? they are referee's after all?

Well that's the mystery isn't it? Why are they here? What is their agenda? Clearly they have one but that's about all we know.

I'll say this though: in NO WAY would a global nuclear war be benefitial, so I'm kinda unclear what you meant by:

Originally Posted by Drew UK

Listen, we need nuclear world war III or IV (depending on your attachement with the USSR). Its necessary, a learning curve on the resume of human history and fortunately we are most likely to see it!!

Since most of us will be dead and the rest slowly dying of radiation sickness, I really don't see how we can "learn" anything. In fact the only thing I recall learning about nuclear war was this: when the bombs start dropping, drive TOWARDS them. You're better off at ground zero, trust me.

[mike]

im not sure a even a MAD scenario would wipe humans from the face of the earth, there appears to be enough deep underground military bases in the world for versions of patrick tilleys Amtrak Wars style cultures to survive.
and nukes are not our only worry, the sun or climate might cause surface life as we know it to be impossible, as could a stray comet.
weve endured ice ages in history, and other diebacks of the species before, i think technology gives us more chance for surviving an extinction level event than we ever did in the past (as a species) and that enough of us and enough knowledge, technology and database systems would survive even a full scale nuke fest.
for all we know the greys may be a bunch of pacifistic data ants who having encountered an aggressive space going species, and having no natural inclination towards weapons, has simply found a planet of naturally aggressive but intellegent primates and has given them technology to see what destructive weapons their creativity can produce, in the hope they develop something useful.
nukes are probibly no more impressive than gunpowder on a galatic scale, but you never know given time we might develop sun snuffers, or black hole bombs.........

the events as described in this episode, may be no more than subtle prompts to tweak us. id imagine the govt would have spent some effort trying to sheild the systems perhaps replace analog with digital etc in an attempt to prevent these systems from being comprised again

[Rocketsauce]

not much more to add, just wanted to say the show was a great one and I"m glad the message board is back!

In terms of how to interpret the UFO's actions, I have no idea what to think. The one thing that can be deduced is they haven't taken over our species or planet overtly. Outside of that, I think the possibilities are quite wide.

I would be curious as to what Jaque Vallee's theories on the nuke stuff would be. Certainly the UFO's have a pattern of paying attention to nukes, so the Nukes are of some significance to them. As weapons of mass destruction maybe at some level we can deduce the UFO's are interested in the idea that we have the capability of using nukes.

Are they interested in the nukes because they are a great tool for the UFO's to demonstrate their power/control to us or are they trying to see how we would react to them messing with our nukes or are they actually trying to teach us something about using the nukes?

I would lean towards they are trying to see how we would react to them messing with the nukes because there are more effective ways to teach us things, although who knows, maybe in addition to having advanced technology they have super advanced techniques for mass behavior modification and this is part of that method. Maybe they were all listening to Motohead snorting crystal meth and decided it would be fun to go fuck with the humans for shits and giggles

Hastings insight into the Larry King show was pretty interesting, I hope he is able to get a real skeptic not a dubunker on that show with him. Bill Nye comes off as such an ill informed a-hole on the subject.

[Hoffmeister]

Ok, I've had another way of thinking about it in response to my last post where I was blithering on about how we can't use human reasoning to work out why they would turn our Nukes off.
So lets try thinking about the scenario using completely human reasoning...
If a load of our nukes were turned off, and we conclusively found out it was the Russians, what would be our first conclusions??

I believe that we would think they were testing out our reaction times to getting the nukes back online so they knew what it would be when they started a nuclear attack, much like how criminals often put in fake police calls to places to test reaction times before they rob a bank etc.

Now lets hope the aliens werent turning off the nukes for the same reason... because you can be damned sure that if they were hostile and an impending occupation was coming, the first thing they would reccie would be our nukes. This would give the government good reason to cover it all up as well.

But don't worry, i'm sure they're not hostile...

[CapnG]

Originally Posted by Hoffmeister

Now lets hope the aliens werent turning off the nukes for the same reason... because you can be damned sure that if they were hostile and an impending occupation was coming, the first thing they would reccie would be our nukes.

But don't worry, i'm sure they're not hostile...

Ah but you're forgetting they have also ACTIVATED nukes, taking them to prelaunch conditions. That means they can not only disarm but also detonate our weapons at will, suggesting that (were they hostile) they could simply blow us up with our own missiles, almost zero effort required on their part.

[Hoffmeister]

Also, what are peoples asssesment of the possibility that perhaps the Malmstrom case actually was the Russians. An insider turns the nukes off somehow and then another insider or perhaps the same one comes up with the UFO story (they would want to turn them off for the reasons in my last post).
Is suppose only Bob whats-his-name (was it Salas?) would be the only person who could answer that. Wouldnt it be ironic though, the Russians using the Americans own cover story against themselves...

[CapnG]

Originally Posted by Hoffmeister

Also, what are peoples asssesment of the possibility that perhaps the Malmstrom case actually was the Russians

If the Russians could have pulled something like that off at the height of the cold war it would have been checkmate. It wasn't, so I put the odds of it being the Russians pretty low...

[Drew UK]

War unfortunately is a part of our psyche - we have not erradicated that predicament, and in someways its irrationally.

Be it a global adventure or a street fight in the mall - we seek to precipate out a sense of respect in which we feel hard done by or wronged.

I look at the position in the world whereby the US/Europe/Israel has built up and provoked Georgia into attack on to South Ossetia (Russia) and Russia has decided to react very harshly. Substituting a few words and swapping the angle around the same could be said in Yugoslavia - Bosnia/Serbia and Kosovo whereby the West decided to react very harshy.

I cannot put it more succintly than Von Klauswitz, On War "The purpose of war is to serve a political means, the true nature of war is to serve itself".

This event in the balkans may or not be the ball that gets rolling, but it demonstrates one thing - building up reasonable relationships can take years but destroyong them takes weeks/days. What happens now, does Russia increase its sponsership towards Syria, Iran?

Just as the street mall disagrement - you are always taking a risk where you may end up dead - but out of anger and pride you take it anyway. A nuclear conflict will just be the same.

There is many things we need to learn, "the true nature of war is to serve itself" is one we keep on forgetting.

Anyway, I have removed from my original speculation "what do ET's have to do with this" - I will try to get onto this at a later date.

[Hoffmeister]

Originally Posted by CapnG

Ah but you're forgetting they have also ACTIVATED nukes, taking them to prelaunch conditions. That means they can not only disarm but also detonate our weapons at will, suggesting that (were they hostile) they could simply blow us up with our own missiles, almost zero effort required on their part.

My theory was based ono the malmstrom case only. Personally I dont think there is enough compelling evidence for the activation case. It might have happened, but i dont think there is enough evidence to consider it in my mind.
but you're right, if they can turn them off, i am sure they can activate them also, but that would spoil the nice planet they want to occupy.
Anyway it was just a theory