March 2nd Show - Dorothy Izatt

[mike]

good point,valiens

i think the hosts views on the photos warrants further research and gene and david have the mental objectivness to really help clarify whats actually happening in this case

pursue your passion gentlemen

[kova]

Great show...

It still sounded a bit BMish but, I haven’t seen any of the videos. I concur with the creepy moment when you talked about Jeff’s response to the one video clip.

I guarantee there is no video of beings coming through the roof. Every time you pressed Frank on the video he changed the subject. He was a bit suspect.

I liked Peter though... He wasn't ever defensive, but more like... you get what you get.

I think you guys really need to follow up on this... I have never heard of this case before which intrigues me even more, since I am from western Canada.

Again, great show.

[dorkbot]

David/Jeff,

If you visit Izatt, I'd be interested to know which specific pieces of gear you plan to take and would also be interested to hear a bit of the rationale behind each choice. Any chance of obtaining a stereo video camera for the trip?

Ask Vallee if Bigelow can chip in to rent some really high end gear.

[SR2]

I don't think it's fair to judge Dorothy Izatt's experience, based solely on Peter's second hand accounts. The real proof will be found in careful analysis of the photos. Has Bruce Macabee ever looked into this case?

It is odd that she and her family wouldn't have put their best photos on the DVD to give her story more credibilty.

[David Biedny]

So I'm looking over the specs of Super 8 film cameras, and it seems like there were models that allowed a single frame of film to be exposed.

Hmmmmmmm..................

The plot thickens.

dB

[SR2]

Originally Posted by David Biedny

So I'm looking over the specs of Super 8 film cameras, and it seems like there were models that allowed a single frame of film to be exposed.

Hmmmmmmm..................

The plot thickens.

dB

Didn't Peter say that she was tested by researchers using other cameras and that the phenomenon showed up in those films as well? I'm really surprised that no one in her family owns a digital camera. They're so cheap these days.

[mike]

Originally Posted by David Biedny

So I'm looking over the specs of Super 8 film cameras, and it seems like there were models that allowed a single frame of film to be exposed.

Hmmmmmmm..................

The plot thickens.

dB

1:28:44 in this vid, looks like a series of "4"'s across the frame

my first thought is single frame over exposure with the camera jiggled
im no expert on cameras but thats my gut reaction

[schticknz]

Argghhh ... I have a baad feeling about this one. I'll be happy when and if David and/or Jeff meet Mrs Izatt and have some experiences of some sort with her. I think that will have a lot of bearing (for me) on whether or not something is happening around her or not.

Otherwise I think I'm going go with my gut feeling and sit on the fence for this one ... vaguely teetering off to the 'uh-oh hoax alert' side . I felt there there was a lot of obfuscation going on (definitely by Gutilla, not so much from Frank Longo who is new to the field and seemed ok to me) ... and I came away from the podcast feeling ... well not very good about the whole thing, really.

Anyway ... we shall see.

Oh and nice to see DB mention the Kaikoura case from here in little ol' New Zealand. I remember first seeing that on one of the Arthur C Clarke programmes many years ago. Kaikoura is only a short journey north-ish from here in Christchurch ... so its almost in my neck of the woods :P ... little did I think that one I would be so near to such a well known UFO case ... its a small world :P

[~Foo Fighter~]

Two things:

1. Researchers have wondered if some phenomenom could be channelled (like the old spiritualists) with one or more of the observers being the medium(s). This sounds like it skews that way if it's not a hoax.

2. It was interesting that she said they came through the ceiling. I never heard that before...but I saw it. As a small child I was very sick in the hospital and I saw someone come through the ceiling. I assumed (and still assume) I was delirious due to the sickness. But it is interesting to note.

~Foo Fighter~

[David Biedny]

As you all now, I put up a comment yesterday, about the fact that SOME Super 8 cameras can expose single frames of film.

I spent some considerable time on the phone with Jeff R. last night, after I posted that message, and we came to the conclusion that it was virtually impossible for this fact to have any impact on the veracity of Dorothy's claims. Jeff and I realize that the fact (or so we assume, as we have not personally handled or seen any of the film ourselves) is that the lights are perfectly lined up in the two frames on either side of the "burst" frames. We feel that this would rule out the idea that Dorothy COULD have faked her amazing footage.

Well, I woke up this morning to a long email from Frank Longo, questioning my motives regarding the posting of my comment, and has informed me that he will not allow me or Jeff to have any access to Dorothy.

I have invited Frank to join the conversation here and make his thoughts known.

We shall see what happens.

dB