1st June Show with Dr. Bernard Haisch

[Ralph]

Originally Posted by louis belanger

Neuroscientists have discovered recently that light is perceived one tenth of a second before it is seen.

Parapsychologists have discovered recently that events are perceived 2-3 seconds before they occur!

(See Dean Radin's work on presentiment)

[Don Keyhotee]

I couldn't listen to the whole thing, because both people in the conversation are lousy at metaphysics, but did they get to asking H about good old ufo's? He's written some interesting things on the topic.

[ddd999]

Sorry for resurrecting old thread but I'm still going back and forward... trying to catch up with Paracast. Anyway, great show and hope that you guys will have more guests like Dr. Haisch in future.

[schticknz]

Originally Posted by Don Keyhotee

I couldn't listen to the whole thing, because both people in the conversation are lousy at metaphysics, but did they get to asking H about good old ufo's? He's written some interesting things on the topic.

Who is good at metaphysics anyway?

And why you ponder that strangely metaphysical question, I think if you listen to this weeks episode of The Paracast (with Robert Hastings), you will find out that Haisch came on to the program NOT to talk about UFOs. He was quite clear about that.

Anyway, this program (with Haisch) was pretty darn waffly in my opinion. Definitely one of my least favourite episodes and I wish he would have come on to talk about UFOs ... he might have made more sense then (ouch felt that one ).

Originally Posted by ddd999

Anyway, great show and hope that you guys will have more guests like Dr. Haisch in future.

Ummm ... I most wholeheartedly disagree with you here ... (getting down on my hands and knees pleading to The Paracast gods) please no more guests like Haisch pleaase ... unless you can resurrect Terence McKenna ... please nooo ... nooo nooooooo ... just because he has a doctorate does not mean that he has a licence to spout drivel ... which most of this episode was in my eyes (urgghh drivel in my eyes ... what an icky thought ) ... so please Gene and David ... no more waffly pseudo-psycho-babble shows, no more doughnut/bagel "jokes" (oh dear ... oh dear, humour really is in the ear of the beholder), no more Nick Pope (ohhh yeah ... one episode pretty much covers old Nick "yes I really am not still in the MOD after 21 years" Pope), and more regular appearances by Jacques Vallee, Mac Tonnies, Richard Dolan, Robert Hastings ... people not averse to making sense and being rational about this.

schtick now with a large cup of coffee so will probably now calm down a little ... probably

[jratcliff63367]

I enjoyed the show as well. I think it is interesting to note that the cosmology presented by Dr. Haisch is identical to the material which was produced by Jane Roberts back in the 1970's. Jane Roberts was kind of the original 'new age channeller' and produced copious amounts of material by a disincarnate intelligence who identified itself as 'Seth'.

I have always found this material quite fascinating and it echos the concepts presented by Dr. Haisch exactly. In the Seth material the word 'God' is always avoided as it produces confusion. Instead Seth almost always refers to the God concept as 'All That Is'. One aspect I like about Seth's description is that it is fractal in nature.

A couple of years ago I posted a message on my personal blog with a substantial excerpt from some of the Seth content. You can find that post here http://jratcliffscarab.blogspot.com/...l-reality.html

Here is a good link with some of the basic Seth concepts: http://www.think-aboutit.com/Spiritu...hs_concept.htm

The concept that is most relevant to this discussion is Seth's concept of 'God' which is as follows:

SETH'S CONCEPT OF GOD

Note: Seth uses the word "God" sparingly, usually he speaks of All That Is or the Primary Energy Gestalt.

If you prefer, you can call the supreme psychic gestalt God, but you should not attempt to objectify him.

What you call God is the sum of all consciousness, and yet the whole is more than the sum of Its parts.

He is not one individual, but an energy gestalt. He is a psychic pyramid of interrelated, ever expanding consciousness, that creates simultaneous and instantaneously, universes and individuals that are given duration, psychic comprehension, intelligence and eternal validity.

Its energy is so unbelievable that is does indeed form all universes; and because its energy is within and behind all universes, fields and systems, it is indeed aware of each sparrow that falls, for it is each sparrow that falls.

Dimly remembered through what you would call history, there was a state of agony in which the powers of creativity and existence were known, but the ways to produce them were not known. All That Is existed in a state of being, but without the means to find expression for Its being. All That Is had to learn this lesson, and could not be taught.

From this agony, creativity was originally drawn, and its reflection is still seen. All That Is retains the memory of that state, and it serves as a constant impetus toward renewed creativity. Desire, wish and expectation, therefore, rule all actions and are the basis for all realities. Within the dreams of All That Is, potential beings had consciousness before any beginning as you know it.

In Its massive imagination, It understood that the cosmic multiplication of consciousness could not occur within that framework. Actuality was necessary if these probabilities were to be given birth. All That Is saw an infinity of probable, conscious individuals. These probable individual selves found themselves alive within a God's dream and they clamored to be released into actuality. All That Is yearned to release them and sought within itself for the means to do so.

Finally, with love and longing It let go of that portion of itself, and they were free.

The psychic energy exploded in a flash of creation.

All That Is loves all that It has created down to the least, for It realizes the dearness and uniqueness of each consciousness which has been wrest from such a state of agony. It is triumphant and joyful at each development taken by each consciousness, and It revels and takes joy in the slightest creative act of each of Its issues.

All individuals remember their source, and now dream of All That Is as It once dreamed of them. And they yearn toward that immense source... and yearn to give it actuality through their own creations.

Now in the same way do you give freedom to the personality fragments within your own dreams and for the same reason. And you create for the same reason, and within each of you is the memory of primal agony-- that urge to create and free all probable consciousness into actuality.

The connections between you and All That Is can never be severed, and Its awareness is so delicate and focused that its attention is indeed directed with a prime creator's love to each consciousness.

All That Is knows no other. It does not know whether or not other psychic gestalts like Itself may exist. It is constantly searching.

All portions of All That Is are constantly changing. All That Is is constantly seeking to know Itself, for seeking itself is a creative activity and the core of all action.

You, as a consciousness, seek to know yourself and become aware of yourself as a distinct individual portion of All That Is. You automatically draw on the overall energy of All That Is, since your existence is dependent upon it.

The portion of All That Is that is aware of itself as you, that is focused within your existence, can be called upon for help when necessary. This portion of All That Is looks out for your interests and may be called upon in a personal manner. A psychic gestalt may seem impersonal to you, but its energy forms your person.

[Irishseekers]

Originally Posted by jratcliff63367

I enjoyed the show as well. I think it is interesting to note that the cosmology presented by Dr. Haisch is identical to the material which was produced by Jane Roberts back in the 1970's. Jane Roberts was kind of the original 'new age channeller' and produced copious amounts of material by a disincarnate intelligence who identified itself as 'Seth'.

I have always found this material quite fascinating and it echos the concepts presented by Dr. Haisch exactly. In the Seth material the word 'God' is always avoided as it produces confusion. Instead Seth almost always refers to the God concept as 'All That Is'. One aspect I like about Seth's description is that it is fractal in nature.

A couple of years ago I posted a message on my personal blog with a substantial excerpt from some of the Seth content. You can find that post here http://jratcliffscarab.blogspot.com/...l-reality.html

Here is a good link with some of the basic Seth concepts: http://www.think-aboutit.com/Spiritu...hs_concept.htm

The concept that is most relevant to this discussion is Seth's concept of 'God' which is as follows:

SETH'S CONCEPT OF GOD

Note: Seth uses the word "God" sparingly, usually he speaks of All That Is or the Primary Energy Gestalt.

If you prefer, you can call the supreme psychic gestalt God, but you should not attempt to objectify him.

What you call God is the sum of all consciousness, and yet the whole is more than the sum of Its parts.

He is not one individual, but an energy gestalt. He is a psychic pyramid of interrelated, ever expanding consciousness, that creates simultaneous and instantaneously, universes and individuals that are given duration, psychic comprehension, intelligence and eternal validity.

Its energy is so unbelievable that is does indeed form all universes; and because its energy is within and behind all universes, fields and systems, it is indeed aware of each sparrow that falls, for it is each sparrow that falls.

Dimly remembered through what you would call history, there was a state of agony in which the powers of creativity and existence were known, but the ways to produce them were not known. All That Is existed in a state of being, but without the means to find expression for Its being. All That Is had to learn this lesson, and could not be taught.

From this agony, creativity was originally drawn, and its reflection is still seen. All That Is retains the memory of that state, and it serves as a constant impetus toward renewed creativity. Desire, wish and expectation, therefore, rule all actions and are the basis for all realities. Within the dreams of All That Is, potential beings had consciousness before any beginning as you know it.

In Its massive imagination, It understood that the cosmic multiplication of consciousness could not occur within that framework. Actuality was necessary if these probabilities were to be given birth. All That Is saw an infinity of probable, conscious individuals. These probable individual selves found themselves alive within a God's dream and they clamored to be released into actuality. All That Is yearned to release them and sought within itself for the means to do so.

Finally, with love and longing It let go of that portion of itself, and they were free.

The psychic energy exploded in a flash of creation.

All That Is loves all that It has created down to the least, for It realizes the dearness and uniqueness of each consciousness which has been wrest from such a state of agony. It is triumphant and joyful at each development taken by each consciousness, and It revels and takes joy in the slightest creative act of each of Its issues.

All individuals remember their source, and now dream of All That Is as It once dreamed of them. And they yearn toward that immense source... and yearn to give it actuality through their own creations.

Now in the same way do you give freedom to the personality fragments within your own dreams and for the same reason. And you create for the same reason, and within each of you is the memory of primal agony-- that urge to create and free all probable consciousness into actuality.

The connections between you and All That Is can never be severed, and Its awareness is so delicate and focused that its attention is indeed directed with a prime creator's love to each consciousness.

All That Is knows no other. It does not know whether or not other psychic gestalts like Itself may exist. It is constantly searching.

All portions of All That Is are constantly changing. All That Is is constantly seeking to know Itself, for seeking itself is a creative activity and the core of all action.

You, as a consciousness, seek to know yourself and become aware of yourself as a distinct individual portion of All That Is. You automatically draw on the overall energy of All That Is, since your existence is dependent upon it.

The portion of All That Is that is aware of itself as you, that is focused within your existence, can be called upon for help when necessary. This portion of All That Is looks out for your interests and may be called upon in a personal manner. A psychic gestalt may seem impersonal to you, but its energy forms your person.

Seth any many other gods like him in ancient mythology, that is if you believe in Mythology. Where supposed to be evil gods who came to earth to conquer Earth thousands and thousands of years ago. A race of aliens called the Asgard attacked them to prevent them from doing that. Little is known about the battles that happened. However you have to be careful with this stuff, because you cant verify it with anything. It is all legends and myths.

[jratcliff63367]

I wasn't referring to 'Seth' as in a God of mythology, I mean't 'Seth' as in a dude named 'Seth'. It could just as easily have been Mike, or Larry. I just refer to him as 'the Ghost' personally.

John

[Irishseekers]

Originally Posted by jratcliff63367

I wasn't referring to 'Seth' as in a God of mythology, I mean't 'Seth' as in a dude named 'Seth'. It could just as easily have been Mike, or Larry. I just refer to him as 'the Ghost' personally.

John

Yes i knew that "however this phenomen you are referring to is still a phenomen, just like ufo and aliens is a phenomen.If you are channeling a intelligence if that is real however?. You have to include all phenomen that we dont understand.however why i brought up seth is. Seth was said to be a god, however gods as i no them to be are spiritual entitys and i think if you are chanelling intellligence from beyond or whatever this entity was , it must be of a spiritual nature or god nature, this all speculation, who no's. And i believe your post was about a entity called seth, if it was a different you should have siad so. but seth is always mentioned in the works that you mentioned so i cant understand your rational thought on this.

[jratcliff63367]

I see what you are saying. Personally I have a very low opinion of channeling. I've attempted to read lots of channeled material and I find it almost universally to be complete and utter drivel. This is what fascinates me about the Seth material as it is quite detailed, deep, and not generally in conflict with what we have learned through the scientific method.

As Jane Roberts said herself, it really doesn't matter where the material originated, it stands on its own as a unique metaphysical framework and philosophy.

I find it quite interesting. I can't say that I believe it, but rather I believe that I don't find it objectionable.

John

P.S. When Jane Roberts channeled an entity named 'Seth' this ghost was not meant to be the 'God' Seth. The entity was just supposed to be a guy named Seth. A personality that had previously incarnated as an ordinary human being in the past. 'Seth' is just a name after all, the entity never referred to himself as anything other than just an ordinary guy in past lives.

[Irishseekers]

Originally Posted by jratcliff63367

I see what you are saying. Personally I have a very low opinion of channeling. I've attempted to read lots of channeled material and I find it almost universally to be complete and utter drivel. This is what fascinates me about the Seth material as it is quite detailed, deep, and not generally in conflict with what we have learned through the scientific method.

As Jane Roberts said herself, it really doesn't matter where the material originated, it stands on its own as a unique metaphysical framework and philosophy.

I find it quite interesting. I can't say that I believe it, but rather I believe that I don't find it objectionable.

John

No it is ok ,i was rambling anyway dude, i think too much,i get brain shock sometimes