Silvia Brown

[Aaron LeClair]

Originally Posted by Recon

also... listen to the above clip.... here is a prime example why C2C lets these freaks get away with LIES.

I love how sylvia "THE PSYCHIC" browne takes a complete 180 on her stance.

Prime example of why, or just a prime example? Not following how it addresses why.

Yes, I've learned about the miner bit from this site. http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/aspie/trueorfalse/

What evidence do you have that John Edward is a fraud? Instead of calling people retarded, post details please. Thank you.

[Recon]

I was talking about Silvia Brown... C2C could have jumped all over that mix up but didn't...

as for john Edward... have you watched any of his ****???
I will show you a video of what happens at these ****ing shows...

[Recon]

Originally Posted by Recon

I will show you a video of what happens at these ****ing shows...

I should have said... this video is of Rosemary Altea... another WELL respected psychic.... LOL.

my favourite part of the clip was when she COLD read the last dude...
I'm seeing a man "Very Black" lol. no ****. Then she noticed the dude's hair was receding, so she knew that the family contact would PROBABLY have a receding hair line... LOL. Ya she is a great psychic.

[dreampsi]

Originally Posted by Recon

If you think john edward is REAL and any of his medium BUDDIES... then why don't they ever do anything GOOD... PREVENT A ****ING DISASTER.

Well, first off, we need to clarify what is typically meant by the terms medium and psychic. A medium is most often thought of as a person who communicates with people who have died or or not present in this physical world as we know it. A psychic seems to encompass a whole lot of things from being able to predict future events (Precongnition), look into "past" events (Retrocognition) such as who murdered Jimmy Hoffa to being able to do "healing" work.
So when you say John Edward should do some good by preventing a disaster, that is not able to be accomplished as far as his mediumistic skills go. I have read he has predicted things before but I don't know if any were on a "disaster" type scale.
I realize that many people are wary of psychics and don't believe there are ANY psychics. This is simply the way you choose to view it and you have the right, of course. But...here is where the problem arises. In the true essence of research into whether or not they are real, accurate, etc., is to visit a few and THEN judge for yourself, but that is not going to ever happen because you REFUSE to go to one because you don't believe in them.
If you are only looking to psychics on television and in books, then again, there is where the problem arises. (Not to say they aren't real, just that those are the ones most often ridiculed)If you want to truly find out if psychics and their abilities are real, then you should seek out those who live in small rural towns who sell nothing, write nothing and have no vested interest in anything except to help those who have come to them as a means of providing guidance. These are the best psychics around. You may ask, "why then don't we hear about them on tv if they are so good? Huh?" Well, that is the whole point, they DON'T WANT the fame and fortune so you never will hear about them. THESE types of psychics are akin to getting guidance from your pastor, your therapist, your best friend, etc. Many people discredit them for being vague and given generalizations but there are many who do nothing of the sort. "Why should I take YOUR word?", you ask. Because you aren't willing to find out for yourself, so taking my word is all you got and I don't want people to take my word. I want people to judge for themselves but most don't want to throw away money on fakes and charlatans and I certainly can understand that. I am in no way defending Sylvia and John Edward, it is just to give you some perspective to try to answer your question as to why they don't stop disasters.
Let me ask you this...If you were getting ready for bed tonight and you are stopped in your tracks frozen and see the bedroom in front of you disappear to be replaced with a vision of a major disaster (lets say a 10.0 Earthquake in Chicago)and a voice tells you that you can save many lives, what would YOU do? Tell someone? who you gonna tell? the news? who do you think is going to listen to you...you are not a psychic and you don't believe in that stuff. So, you tell no one because it's not your concern, right? After all, you didn't ask for that vision. This might give you an idea of just how much responsibility it places on someone who can see/is shown them. Just curious...

[CapnG]

Originally Posted by dreampsi

Let me ask you this...If you were getting ready for bed tonight and you are stopped in your tracks frozen and see the bedroom in front of you disappear to be replaced with a vision of a major disaster (lets say a 10.0 Earthquake in Chicago)and a voice tells you that you can save many lives, what would YOU do? Tell someone? who you gonna tell? the news? who do you think is going to listen to you...you are not a psychic and you don't believe in that stuff. So, you tell no one because it's not your concern, right? After all, you didn't ask for that vision. This might give you an idea of just how much responsibility it places on someone who can see/is shown them. Just curious...

This is just the sort of ridiculous counter point that underlines what frauds these frauds are. If Recon gets a vision odds are he'll tell SOMEONE, just because it was so weird. They may not believe him but if it actually happens suddenly they'd change their minds.

If Silvia Browne says this on the other hand and it happens, it would actually serve as PROOF of psychic power.

Let me put it another way: If someone claims to be a heart surgeon, you expect them to be able to perform heart surgery. If predictions were patients, Edwards and Browne would have a stack of malpractice suits from here to the moon.

[Gene Steinberg]

Originally Posted by CapnG

This is just the sort of ridiculous counter point that underlines what frauds these frauds are. If Recon gets a vision odds are he'll tell SOMEONE, just because it was so weird. They may not believe him but if it actually happens suddenly they'd change their minds.

If Silvia Browne says this on the other hand and it happens, it would actually serve as PROOF of psychic power.

Let me put it another way: If someone claims to be a heart surgeon, you expect them to be able to perform heart surgery. If predictions were patients, Edwards and Browne would have a stack of malpractice suits from here to the moon.

As you know, before someone becomes a doctor, they have to undergo years of training, and pass various and sundry tests in order to graduate. They are licensed and subject to various and sundry regulations. If they screw up, they can face censure, loss of their medical license and certainly a slew of malpractice suits.

Obviously there are no standards for psychics, no way for them to prove their capabilities and little recourse for the client (or victim), except, perhaps, to go to the consumer protection and/or fraud divisions for relief.

[Recon]

Originally Posted by dreampsi

Well, first off, we need to clarify what is typically meant by the terms medium and psychic. A medium is most often thought of as a person who communicates with people who have died or or not present in this physical world as we know it. A psychic seems to encompass a whole lot of things from being able to predict future events (Precongnition), look into "past" events (Retrocognition) such as who murdered Jimmy Hoffa to being able to do "healing" work.
So when you say John Edward should do some good by preventing a disaster, that is not able to be accomplished as far as his mediumistic skills go. I have read he has predicted things before but I don't know if any were on a "disaster" type scale.
I realize that many people are wary of psychics and don't believe there are ANY psychics. This is simply the way you choose to view it and you have the right, of course. But...here is where the problem arises. In the true essence of research into whether or not they are real, accurate, etc., is to visit a few and THEN judge for yourself, but that is not going to ever happen because you REFUSE to go to one because you don't believe in them.
If you are only looking to psychics on television and in books, then again, there is where the problem arises. (Not to say they aren't real, just that those are the ones most often ridiculed)If you want to truly find out if psychics and their abilities are real, then you should seek out those who live in small rural towns who sell nothing, write nothing and have no vested interest in anything except to help those who have come to them as a means of providing guidance. These are the best psychics around. You may ask, "why then don't we hear about them on tv if they are so good? Huh?" Well, that is the whole point, they DON'T WANT the fame and fortune so you never will hear about them. THESE types of psychics are akin to getting guidance from your pastor, your therapist, your best friend, etc. Many people discredit them for being vague and given generalizations but there are many who do nothing of the sort. "Why should I take YOUR word?", you ask. Because you aren't willing to find out for yourself, so taking my word is all you got and I don't want people to take my word. I want people to judge for themselves but most don't want to throw away money on fakes and charlatans and I certainly can understand that. I am in no way defending Sylvia and John Edward, it is just to give you some perspective to try to answer your question as to why they don't stop disasters.
Let me ask you this...If you were getting ready for bed tonight and you are stopped in your tracks frozen and see the bedroom in front of you disappear to be replaced with a vision of a major disaster (lets say a 10.0 Earthquake in Chicago)and a voice tells you that you can save many lives, what would YOU do? Tell someone? who you gonna tell? the news? who do you think is going to listen to you...you are not a psychic and you don't believe in that stuff. So, you tell no one because it's not your concern, right? After all, you didn't ask for that vision. This might give you an idea of just how much responsibility it places on someone who can see/is shown them. Just curious...

First off...
How do you know if I have every been to a psychic??? what are you psychic???
I have been to one... a friend asked me to go with her... I was not impressed. The psychic had no specifics to say, only vague BS, that could apply to anyone... and guess what... this psychic was from a small rural town.

Second...
I lump the 2 nut jobs Brown and Edward into psychics because they also claim to see the future... but their main profession is medium work. What every that ****ing means.
I like how you brought up Hoffa... funny how your main stream psychics and your small town USA psychics still can't find him.

Third...
Thanks for the back up CapnG,
If I was seeing disaster, I would be telling anyone I could... Saving people is not something you put on the back burner. If psychics were real, and they with held this information, they would be jailed.

Fourth...
small or city, millionaire or trailer park... psychics are not real. There is one major difference between famous psychic and small town Carney psychic... GREAT marketing and an awesome publicist.

In final...
the proof is in the pudding... they have NEVER predicted anything major... they only claim to have in hind sight. I could make 10 predictions right and probably hit 3 of them... by pure odds.

Assholes like sean david morton... are no different than your sylivia brownes and rural psychics... they GUESS. And I wouldn't even say it is educated.

[Recon]

Originally Posted by Gene Steinberg

As you know, before someone becomes a doctor, they have to undergo years of training, and pass various and sundry tests in order to graduate. They are licensed and subject to various and sundry regulations. If they screw up, they can face censure, loss of their medical license and certainly a slew of malpractice suits.

Obviously there are no standards for psychics, no way for them to prove their capabilities and little recourse for the client (or victim), except, perhaps, to go to the consumer protection and/or fraud divisions for relief.

There are ways of testing and proving them.
get them to tell us the future. then we see if they are right.
they must be specific.
they either pass or they fail.

if you went to consumer protection and/or fraud divisions for relief they would pobably laugh in your face... they would then say... "You didn't actualy think these people are real did you?"

[CapnG]

Originally Posted by Gene Steinberg

Obviously there are no standards for psychics, no way for them to prove their capabilities and little recourse for the client (or victim), except, perhaps, to go to the consumer protection and/or fraud divisions for relief.

I disagree Gene, if a psychic claims to be precognitiant, then they should be able to make a specific statement about a specific event on a specific date. If they claim to communicate with the dead, they should be able to give me an accurate description of my grandfather without asking me a single question.

They can't because they aren't.

Originally Posted by Recon

Thanks for the back up CapnG

Anytime Recon, although I have to point out (pedantic SOB that I am) that the actual expression is "The proof OF the pudding is IN the eating". I don't know about you but so far this psychic pudding tastes like crap to me...

[hopeful skeptic]

Obviously there are no standards for psychics, no way for them to prove their capabilities and little recourse for the client (or victim), except, perhaps, to go to the consumer protection and/or fraud divisions for relief.

Miss Cleo found out what it was like to be hit with a consumer fraud suit, and still got away with plenty of money. What a shame.

Your point is well taken, Mr. Steinberg, and I think it's amusing to remember that Stanton Friedman has many times voiced this same lament vis-a-vis UFO "researchers."