Immunity from prosecution

[Irishseekers]

I believe that the men and women that hold the evidence of the phenomen we know today as ufo's should be immune from prosecution, My reasons are many to ever get disclosure going in some meaningful way this what must happen humans are a survival species so know goverment official or unknown black project individual involved in this cover up is ever going to disclose information.we have to give them a remedy for this problem. Blame it on the soviet union, the cold war who cares ,It was done for that reason they can say bad things happen in war. Of course life taken to stop this secret getting out was wrong everybody who is sane would agree with that, But it is sixty years since Roswell do we really what to wait another sixty years till we get some facts i dont do you, They should contact goverment politicans to see and try getting immunity from the state or public bringing legal cases against them

[CapnG]

Wouldn't they technically already be beyond prosecution, since most of these projects would have to be black and thus outside of the law?

[Irishseekers]

[quote=CapnG;31497]Wouldn't they technically already be beyond prosecution, since most of these projects would have to be black and thus outside of the law?[/quote If this secret got out some how i believe this goverment would be flooded with law suits no black project run by one goverment or other entity is entitled to rehold such a secret of this importance to humanity black should mean secrets not a right

[CapnG]

I submit that your understanding of the term "black project" needs redefining. Personal opinions (yours, mine, anybody's) have no bearing on those who would make decisions to place themselves outside the system. That's what OUTSIDE the system means.

Also some punctuation and capitalization here and there would be nice. Your posts are kinda hard to read sometimes.

[Irishseekers]

Originally Posted by CapnG

I submit that your understanding of the term "black project" needs redefining. Personal opinions (yours, mine, anybody's) have no bearing on those who would make decisions to place themselves outside the system. That's what OUTSIDE the system means.

Also some punctuation and capitalization here and there would be nice. Your posts are kinda hard to read sometimes.

Off course black project means people outside the system, but that all changes when the secret gets out. No person is safe from the courts when a wrong is committed not even the individuals involved in black projects. The public will want answers and the goverment is not going to take the fall it will be does individuals involved who have held the secret

[CapnG]

Originally Posted by Irishseekers

No person is safe from the courts when a wrong is committed not even the individuals involved in black projects.

Sigh... look Irish, it's simple: If something is black, then it's outside the law. In other words NO LAWS apply. That means that whatever the black project is, no matter how morally objectionable it may be to us at first blush, the fact remains it has been done without breaking any laws.

Put another way, if you lived in a country were there was a court system and yet somehow theft wasn't on the books and I stole something from you, you would have no legal recourse because even though I had stolen from you, I had not broken any law.

Above. Beyond. Outside. Seperate. You get it yet? You can cry and scream all you want but you can't touch these people. It's like diplomatic immunity x10000.

[Irishseekers]

Originally Posted by CapnG

Sigh... look Irish, it's simple: If something is black, then it's outside the law. In other words NO LAWS apply. That means that whatever the black project is, no matter how morally objectionable it may be to us at first blush, the fact remains it has been done without breaking any laws.

Put another way, if you lived in a country were there was a court system and yet somehow theft wasn't on the books and I stole something from you, you would have no legal recourse because even though I had stolen from you, I had not broken any law.

Above. Beyond. Outside. Seperate. You get it yet? You can cry and scream all you want but you can't touch these people. It's like diplomatic immunity x10000.

Sorry i dont agree with your conclusions i have may opinion you have yours.In the law of tort takeing your case As a base all i would have to prove is that you, infringed my rights by takeing from me, Or is that not on the statue books as well in your logic.Theft will always be a civil or criminal case due to it's nature of takeing something from an individual That he does not own himself That is why we have laws. Diplomatic immunity from what source this people are not goverment officials elected by the people are the. they only have immunity become they remain in the shadows

[CapnG]

Originally Posted by Irishseekers

As a base all i would have to prove is that you, infringed my rights by takeing from me, Or is that not on the statue books as well in your logic.

Your rights are defined by a constitution. Any agency that exists beyond that constitution or is exempt from it would not be required to be compliant.

Originally Posted by Irishseekers

Theft will always be a civil or criminal case due to it's nature of takeing something from an individual That he does not own himself That is why we have laws.

It was a hypothetical example of a society in which theft is NOT AGAINST THE LAW.

Originally Posted by Irishseekers

Diplomatic immunity from what source this people are not goverment officials elected by the people are the. they only have immunity become they remain in the shadows

I said like diplomatic immunity. I'm beginning to think you're deliberately trying to ignore what I'm saying simply because you don't agree or rather because you don't want to accept that it could be true.

Read this next part VERY carefully: The people we're talking about (the black budget crowd) the law you cling to and depend on to make sense of the world WOULD NOT APPLY TO THEM. Understand? NO PART OF THE LAW. Not the written law, not the courts, not even the edicts of the president/prime minister/emporer/God. They would be immune, exempt, untouchable. Trying to call them to task for what they have done would be like a child trying to make an adult go to bed. It simply cannot happen. It's why I find the notion of congressional hearings laughable. Hearings on WHAT? Projects we don't know about performed by people who can't be named towards ends that we can only guess? Yeah.. that'll make progress...

[Irishseekers]

Originally Posted by CapnG

Your rights are defined by a constitution. Any agency that exists beyond that constitution or is exempt from it would not be required to be compliant.

It was a hypothetical example of a society in which theft is NOT AGAINST THE LAW.

Listen buddy i dont disagree with you that a black project is secret and laws are ignored because of that. What i am argueing with you is that if this secret gets out that alien lifeforms have being visiting the earth, And this guys have being keeping this secret under wraps someone has to pay for lieing to the American people and to the world this no stealth bomber they are hideing this is bigger Law suits are going to be brought heads will roll,of course the old timers will be thrown to the wolves because they are long gone now with old age

[CapnG]

Originally Posted by Irishseekers

Listen buddy i dont disagree with you that a black project is secret and laws are ignored because of that. What i am argueing with you is that if this secret gets out that alien lifeforms have being visiting the earth, And this guys have being keeping this secret under wraps someone has to pay for lieing to the American people and to the world this no stealth bomber they are hideing this is bigger Law suits are going to be brought heads will roll,of course the old timers will be thrown to the wolves because they are long gone now with old age

What I'm TELLING you is that no legal machinery exists to "make them pay". You can't sue someone who doesn't legally exist. You can't file suit against a group that doesn't recognize the law. These guys aren't like common criminals who know laws exist but simply ignore them, laws are literally written AROUND these guys to ENSURE the law doesn't apply to them.

I'll give you a concrete example: the NSA has a statute that exempts it from any law passed by congress which does not SPECIFICALLY name the NSA in that bill. That includes all laws passed prior to the disclosure of the existence of the NSA. That means the NSA can technically do whatever it feels it has to within it's mandate and as long as it doesn't break any law that includes the NSA in it's content, it CANNOT BE PROSECUTED. EVER. BY ANYONE. FOR ANY REASON. And that's an organization we know exists!

Ya get it yet? Your personal feelings about calling people to task and "heads rolling" have no bearing, NONE on the legality of the actions of those indivduals. It doesn't matter if it's just you, or a thousand people or a hundred million, the law is the law and the black project guys aren't required to comply.