Seeing Ghosts Sucks

[Graphimancer]

Today, I decided that this is a pain-in-the-ass ability, and probably the most useless psychic ability.

I was visiting a farm in Central Indiana, walking from the car to the pole barn, and a ghost walked out of the pole barn (through a closed sliding door), through a closed gate, and into a chicken house. On the way through, he looked up, caught my eye for a moment, and kept walking. He had the look of not being terribly interested in my presence, as if I was a distraction at best. I asked him who he was, but he was already gone, no longer present. Later, I asked my wife if she saw him (she was in the pole barn), and she said no, but she felt some weird presence in there.

This is all no big deal to me anymore. It only bugs me when ghosts bug me, and that's usually because they are lonely and anyone who can see them is someone to bug.

What does all this prove? Not much. It's just one more reminder that we survive our bodies, we can get lost on the way out of here, and there are probably repercusions in the afterlife to how we lived in this life. I have yet to ever have a ghost tell me something useful, which leads me to believe that those that are stuck here are as clueless as we are, or worse.

Residual haunts are no big deal. They play out again and again like broken records, and you soon learn to ignore them. Sometimes visiting spirits aren't trapped here at all, but are visiting from beyond to check up on things. That pretty much shoots down the reincarnation thing for me, because wouldn't they have been incarnated into some new life since then?

So, as someone who got loads of second sight and lots of empathy, I have to wonder why I didn't get any of the good psychic abilities, like telekinesis, or manifestation. Being surrounded by a parade of spirits has never been a big bonus in my life. It is not cool, or fun, or mysterious.

Why do I write this? I'm not sure. I'm sure several people who read this subforum are in the same boat as I am. If you get it, then maybe you can shed some light on why this ability is somehow good or useful. If you don't get it, then you probably think I'm full of shit and have a leaking imagination. Whatever.

Instead, this is just my life. I'd have rather seen ufos, I guess.

[Ally]

I get it . I don't see them but I feel them(ghosts). It does suck too. Hospitals are probably the most difficult places to be if you are empathic.

The idea of reincarnation still works for me even though I beleive ghosts exist. It is possible that only a part of the soul reincarnates while another part is stuck somehwhere else.

You said that the ghosts have never told you anything worthwhile. I am just curious what type of questions you askthem?

[Graphimancer]

Hi, Ally

Usually I don't get too far past the standard "who are you?" question. Those that have answered have usually not been apparantly interested in playing twenty questions. It seems to me that their attention spans are usually short. This is perhaps because I don't do the confrontational thing. I did that once, inadvertantly, about twenty-four years ago, and it was not a fun experience.

The one that come back from the beyond are usually there to telegraph their presence, perhaps lending support. They seem to show up, perhaps touch you on the shoulder or visually appear, then quickly go away.

I don't do any kind of channelling. The only time I've had that happen was at a Christmas at my mothers, my grandfather came back, cohabitated with for a bit to see everyone, then he returned to beyond. I barely remember it, but it surprised the family, and they got what had happened almost before I did. I'm not into the idea of channelling, but for him I guess I made an exception.

[Poi]

Your guy at the barn sort of reminds me of The Others which starred Nicole Kidman, Scott. The unusual twist at the end was intense as it was interesting, that while we were led to believe Kidman and her kids took up residence in a new home in England after her mental breakdown and her husband went missing in action, she and the kids actually turned out to BE the ghosts. They led somewhat normal lives except for the hauntings they kept experiencing in the house, the actions of the "real" people living there.

So maybe your ghost thought you were just a ghost and had the same ho-hum reaction to you? Cool idea anyway.

[Ally]

Originally Posted by Scott Story

Hi, Ally

Usually I don't get too far past the standard "who are you?" question. Those that have answered have usually not been apparantly interested in playing twenty questions. It seems to me that their attention spans are usually short. This is perhaps because I don't do the confrontational thing. I did that once, inadvertantly, about twenty-four years ago, and it was not a fun experience.

The one that come back from the beyond are usually there to telegraph their presence, perhaps lending support. They seem to show up, perhaps touch you on the shoulder or visually appear, then quickly go away.

I don't do any kind of channelling. The only time I've had that happen was at a Christmas at my mothers, my grandfather came back, cohabitated with for a bit to see everyone, then he returned to beyond. I barely remember it, but it surprised the family, and they got what had happened almost before I did. I'm not into the idea of channelling, but for him I guess I made an exception.

I am not sure what you are asking or if you are asking a question.

[Seth]

Originally Posted by Poi

Your guy at the barn sort of reminds me of The Others...They led somewhat normal lives except for the hauntings they kept experiencing in the house, the actions of the "real" people living there.

I always thought that movie portrayed an interesting representation of this phenomenon. Very interesting.

This concept and the whole ghost phenomenon points to some interesting aspects of space/time. Why do we never see ghosts from the future? All ghosts I have heard of (and I have interacted with one) are throwbacks to a previous time.

This is interesting to me because it hints at a linear nature to time. If not a linear nature then a limiting nature to what we can perceive. It supports the idea that we cannot see into the future because if we could then we would see the spirits of the future dead as well. This is an odd way of debunking “seers” but makes sense that you cannot see, predict, or know what does not or has not existed yet.

[Ally]

If ghosts from the future could be perceived how would anyone know?
I don't think every haunting or ghost sighting can be traced to a past person or event. Just a thought.

[Seth]

Originally Posted by Ally

If ghosts from the future could be perceived how would anyone know?

Wouldn’t they be the same as ghosts from that past except for appearance and interaction? If you think not, why? What would be different about the “souls” of future beings?

Originally Posted by Ally

I don't think every haunting or ghost sighting can be traced to a past person or event.

Let me clarify: The apparitions or sights of ghost often described are attributed to people from the past in dress and demeanor. Give me an example of a human appearing entity that is not linked to that scenario.

My point was that humanesce ghosts are represented from a retrospective point of detection. We do not see representatives from a time that exists ahead of us…I think this is telling of the dynamics of time.

[Graphimancer]

Hi, All

I don't subscribe to the idea of ghosts being living people across time. Yes, I understand residual hauntings, and have seen them many times, but most self-aware ghosts are dead people from the past; if there was a cross-time thing, then we would be the future ghosts to them.

(I didn't see the Other, although I like Nicole Kidman, so I may order this one on Netflix.)

I have encountered people who I believe lived in another diminsion near our own, or another "brane." I'm led to believe this because they seemed shocked by my appearance, or by my wife's. The house I lived in at the time I believe to be a minor vortice. These encounters were often humorous, in that I was not overly impressed by seeing these people, but they were alarmed in and in one case actually ran around the house.

(Yes, my life has been weird that way.)

I should also mention that many of these entities I see in my minds eye, not with my physical sight. They seemed overlayed over our reality. I have seen actual manifestations on several occassions, but I would say the majority I saw with my mind. I've come to believe that the imagination is not just a daydream factory, but an actual sense, one that can be developed with great acuity to see things in this realm. Energy fields, astral entities of all sorts, including artificial ones such as mindforms or tulpa, they all exist in this medium.

Anymore, when I see an entity/ghost, I feel an electrical type charge in my head; I know it's not electricity, exactly, but it feels like a low grade charge. For years, when I encountered a strong entity, for some reason I wanted to cry--it wasn't an emotional thing, but a physical reaction. It doesn't make sense, but there you go. Nowdays I seem to outgrown that.

[Ally]

I think there is a lot of overlap among all the other realmly experiences.
Ghosts , entities, aliens, mental projections, astral traval, imagination at times.

My question about if you encountered a ghost from the future how would you know involves this confusing overlap of the sences and perceptions. Sometimes the English language, or my use of it doesn't quite do this field justice.

I feel more energies than I see both with my physical eyes or mind's eye. I have been in haunted houses and got some verifcation about what I was feeling. The degree in which I am affected varies quite a bit. Sometimes disabling otr as Scott said Sucks.

However hauntings can feel, at least for me, similar to other psi phenomenen like a psychic attack or a "visitor".

If I feel a presence and I do not see or get a sence of what the presence might be, I would not rule out a future ghost.

I do not always experience time as linear. Now I just opend a entire can of wormholes.

Scott if you live close to a vortex, do you also experiecce other forms of psi phenomenon?