Ok Its Time OBAMA vs. MCCAIN?

[underdog]

You cannot have fundamental change if you never choose to change.
–Underdog

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...But many Americans today are frustrated. The political choices they are offered give them no real choice at all. For all their talk of “change,” neither major political party as presently constituted challenges the status quo in any serious way. Neither treats the Constitution with anything but contempt. Neither offers any kind of change in monetary policy. Neither wants to make the reductions in government that our crushing debt burden demands. Neither talks about bringing American troops home not just from Iraq but from around the world. Our country is going bankrupt, and none of these sensible proposals are even on the table.
–Ron Paul

[Chuckleberryfinn]

None of the above. I will not condone either of those jerks, Obama or McCain. Can you believe it? All of the taxes we pay -- I pay -- more than one fourth of my paycheck -- and all they can give us is a shitty congress and senate and Obama or McCain? F our political system. F it right in the A.

[Gene Steinberg]

To complicate matters, we now learn that presumptive VP candidate Sarah Palin's unmarried 17-year-old daughter is pregnant. But she'll apparently marry her boyfriend, the father of the child. So that makes it right for an evangelical Christian's family, right?

[underdog]

You would prefer she abort the child and keep it all hush-hush?

[DBTrek]

"The criminals who terrorize our cities -- in riots and on every non-riot day -- are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are. As children, they are trained to hate whites, to believe that white oppression is responsible for all black ills, to 'fight the power,' to steal and loot as much money from the white enemy as possible."
-Ron Paul Political Report
(Paul claims he doesn't know who was writing articles under his name but it wasn't him!)

"Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began. ... What if the checks had never arrived? No doubt the blacks would have fully privatized the welfare state through continued looting. But they were paid off and the violence subsided."
-Ron Paul Political Report

"I've been told not to talk, but these stooges don't scare me. Threats or no threats, I've laid bare the coming race war in our big cities. The federal-homosexual cover-up on AIDS (my training as a physician helps me see through this one.) The Bohemian Grove--perverted, pagan playground of the powerful. Skull & Bones: the demonic fraternity that includes George Bush and leftist Senator John Kerry, Congress's Mr. New Money. The Israeli lobby, which plays Congress like a cheap harmonica."
-Ron Paul Political Report

Ron Paul also accepts donations from white supremacists like Don Black (owner of StormFront.org one of the oldest white supremacist sites on the web) and WhiteWorldNews.com. When this is brought to his attention he does not return the donations . . . meaning he's got no problem accepting support from the White Supremacists.

Yeah, Ron Paul is a real F'ing hero.

[underdog]

In his interview with CNN, Paul said that's language he would never use. "People who know me, nobody is going to believe this," he said. "That's just not my language. It's not my life."
He added, "Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, Ghandi, they're the heroes [of my life]."

Matt Welch, the editor-in-chief of "Reason" magazine who shares some of Paul's beliefs on big government, says he has never heard the congressman make racist comments like those in the newsletters.


"What I think some people are looking for him to do is to say, 'OK, who wrote that?' I mean, there's 20 years, give or take, worth of newsletters there," Welch said.


Paul said the editor of publications "is responsible for daily activities." But he also cited "transition" and "changes" and said that some people were hired to write stories "but I didn't know their names."
The presidential hopeful described the newsletter revelations as a "rehash" of old material dug up by his opponents because he is gaining ground with black voters due to his stance against the war in Iraq and the war on drugs.

"I am the anti-racist because I am the only candidate -- Republican or Democrat -- who would protect the minority against these vicious drug laws," he said.

"Libertarians are incapable of being a racist, because racism is a collectivist idea."

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He said/she said could go on all day and night. He seems sincere to me, but I'm no mind reader. If the racism claim were to be true, I would be highly disappointed in the man.

Of course, people are going to believe the worst about people they want to believe the worst about.

[DBTrek]

Wow, pretty compelling. Ron Paul effectively says "Uh . . .no . .. I'm not a racist, really!", and one guy says he never heard Ron Paul make a racist comment.

I guess that explains Ron Paul spending two decades pushing the Nazi agenda through his newsletters!

[underdog]

There is nothing I could provide you that would supersede your need to be right.

[DBTrek]

Originally Posted by underdog

There is nothing I could provide you that would supersede your need to be right.

You always fall back to the same tactic when confronted with your own illogic.

The fact is Ron Paul published racist, anti-gay, anti-jew articles in his Ron Paul Political Report. That isn't my need to be right, that's a fact. You don't see that as a reason not to support him . . . another fact.

So, your support of a man who publishes this sort of filth has nothing to do whatsoever with these bizarre accusations you want to attach to the needs of my ego.

It has everything to do with your character.

Nice try though.

[underdog]

I have no idea what you are talking about? I support Ron Pauls libertarian platform. You come to the thread and ascribe racist comments to Ron Paul that he refutes, and his closest friends refute. You say "nice try but no cigar." I am left wondering what in the world you want from me.

Why on earth I left this forum open on my day off I'll never know. I guess I was stupid after all. I should probably go do something less painful, like flay my skin off and roll around in salt.