DMT: Encountering Entities

[BrandonD]

Originally Posted by Brian Now

I am supposed to try salvia soon. And I have heard it doesn't last long at all like you said. In my youth I did some drugs I have to say, so your salvia experience sounds very mild. And that's not a bad thing, if I only have a mild experience I won't be too disappointed. I don't do extremes anymore.

I've tried this once. It actually is quite intense but very short-lived.

I don't have any sort of "drug connections" and I actually know very little about those sort of things, even though I've always been interested in psychedelics. Well I always told myself that since I didn't know how to hook myself up with the goods, if the situation arose where I could try a new one I would consider that circumstance to be the best of circumstances and try it.

So I was DJing at a club one night and brought the crowd to have an afterparty at my house, and some people showed up with salvia and a bong. Even though there was a vague "red light" in the back of my mind, I followed through with my initial decision and smoked it in my kitchen surrounded by a bunch of people I didn't know.

The crazy thing about salvia, and I've seen this several times so I think it's pretty reliable, is that it hits you almost *immediately* after you exhale. Your world is immediately turned 180, and even though DMT is stronger it is not nearly that fast-acting.

Well immediately after exhaling everyone and everything in the room transformed. They were the same people but definitely not the same. I was in some sort of alternate dream-world. I felt they were all in on some secret, and they were laughing and asking me if I was ready to know this thing. I was terrified, I suddenly felt that my life was some sort of grand facade, but I suddenly recalled that in the Castaneda books you are told to laugh in the face of your fear, and so I tried to do this. Then suddenly I started floating or spinning in the room uncontrollably, like I was a ball being passed around from person to person.

Then as suddenly as it occurred it was gone. I went over to my friend Lacey who was sitting on the couch and put my head on her shoulder. I was pretty shaken up.

The moral of the story is: with psychedelics context is a BIG deal. Your experience at some silly party with strangers is going to be very very different from your experience with close friends out in a natural setting. I think you can learn something from either experience, but the learning process will be much more pleasant in the latter situation.

[Brian Now]

Originally Posted by BrandonD

I followed through with my initial decision and smoked it in my kitchen surrounded by a bunch of people I didn't know.

I remember you telling this story. I will definitely take it at home in a safe environment. I don't know how it will affect me since I won't be smoking it like everybody else. I understand you can chew it though. The reason I won't smoke it is because when I quit smoking cigarettes in 2003 I vowed never to smoke anything again.

[BrandonD]

Originally Posted by Brian Now

I remember you telling this story. I will definitely take it at home in a safe environment. I don't know how it will affect me since I won't be smoking it like everybody else. I understand you can chew it though. The reason I won't smoke it is because when I quit smoking cigarettes in 2003 I vowed never to smoke anything again.

Chewing it was actually the traditional method by the mazatecs. It is supposed to be a much gentler trip, but longer lasting.

[Chuckleberryfinn]

Originally Posted by Brian Now

I am supposed to try salvia soon. And I have heard it doesn't last long at all like you said. In my youth I did some drugs I have to say, so your salvia experience sounds very mild. And that's not a bad thing, if I only have a mild experience I won't be too disappointed. I don't do extremes anymore.

Yes, it was probably mild. The kind I took is considered probably the weakest extract and the bowls weren't entirely full. I also probably could have held the smoke in longer. I'm glad I didn't, however. If my experience was mild, I do not want to experience a heavy dose. I was already entirely disconnected from reality with only that tiny bit.

I've always known that ordinary experience is mediated through a number of faculties (time, space, senses), but this experience has helped me to internalize more concretely what that means. That is, our perception of reality appears to depend largely on the chemicals in our brain. Whether Serotonin, DMT, or Salvinorin A, we don't see reality as it actually exists. We see reality as it appears to exists after our sensory organs and bio-chemicals filter perceptual input.

[BrandonD]

I have a little spare time today so I'm gonna post another story from the ayahuasca ceremonies.

After the 4th ceremony, we were given an additional drink. This one didn't taste nearly as bad as the ayahuasca, which tastes worse than anything you've ever drank. I can just think about it and get on the verge of throwing up. Anyway, this new drink was supposed to teach us in our dreams. That night after the dream-drink was the only night during the entire trip that I had a dream that felt like it had any significance. This could be a case of the placebo effect, but nevertheless I had a dream that had a great impact upon me. Here it is, copied from my notes:

Oct 9 -

I dreamed of a palace that was floating in the ocean, with sails attached above it. There was a big set of stairs coming down from the palace, and the rulers of this palace were standing on the steps stabbing these men with swords. At the same time they were saying how it was wrong to kill, they were speaking all these hypocritical commandments.

Then the main ruler came out, he had a black beard and carried a curvy arabian-type sword (illustration here). He was threatening to kill one of the others for losing his temper, but he was just as much a tyrant as the others.

There was this small rebellious group who were trying to infiltrate the palace, and their leader was a man with a blond beard. All the men who served under the leader of the palace had a black beard. One of these men was standing at the edge of the palace looking out over the ocean, calling the blond man a coward, then I saw that the blond man was hiding up in the sails above him. He was making plans to get inside the palace, but it would be difficult because alot of the roof was not solid, it was made of yellow and white tent fabric.

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Anyway, this dream had much relevance to my life at that time, but apart from that it was also a really vivid and fantastical dream.

[exo_doc]

I've read quite a bit about DMT and it's effects, mostly on Cliff Pickovers Reality Carnival website. I would be very interested to speak with a professional researcher who might be looking for volunteer test subjects(all Cheech and Chong jokes aside).
From what I have read, a fairly high percentage of people who take DMT have had a kind of religious experience, and I would love to have one. I have tried all sorts of things to induce any sort of spiritual experience in the trance and meditation department, but have stopped short of taking any form of drugs other than alcohol (Bourbon, of course), (although I did smoke some pot in high school about 25 years ago, but I wasn't impressed. All I did was fall asleep.)....and I have never came close.

[Experiencer7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine

[Gareth]

Brandon youre a DJ but you dont have contacts in the drug world?

[BrandonD]

Originally Posted by GSB

Brandon youre a DJ but you dont have contacts in the drug world?

Well..... the drugs floating around in the club world are generally not the kinds I'm into.

[draconian45]

I've always wanted to try DMT or Ayhuasca. If you provide the hook-up I'll do the buying. I'm not some street guy who wants to get a cheap hi, I really do want to get enlightened and see a bit further.