Bin Laden's role?

[Aaron LeClair]

There are some that think the Bush administration was in on the 9/11 attacks, and Bin Laden is paid by the CIA to play the bad guy. Yet Bin Laden has released tapes threatening the US states that vote for Bush on re-election. Even if this is a "phony" Bin, can someone explain to me how (or why) that could or would be? It seems to work against them if they were indeed involved.

[Gareth]

Wouldnt that all just be part of it? Part of the 'job description', as it were.

[Aaron LeClair]

Originally Posted by GSB

Wouldnt that all just be part of it? Part of the 'job description', as it were.

Why would the Bush admin. want to make themselves look bad and threaten people against voting for them?

[Gareth]

Who knows how far theyd go to make the whole think look real. I dont know... after just stumbling upon the Project Camelot site I think Ive had just about enough conspiracy crap for the moment.

What the hell do people get out of all this stuff? I mean, seriously hoaxers, get a goddam life.

[fitzbew88]

Originally Posted by Paranormal Packrat

There are some that think the Bush administration was in on the 9/11 attacks, and Bin Laden is paid by the CIA to play the bad guy. Yet Bin Laden has released tapes threatening the US states that vote for Bush on re-election. Even if this is a "phony" Bin, can someone explain to me how (or why) that could or would be? It seems to work against them if they were indeed involved.

If OBL is a CIA proxy (a prospect that I think is laughable, given his history), then his "employ" must have stretched back at least to the end of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Indeed, this relationship would have been founded in the Reagan administration!

As a CIA proxy, he then would have had to motivate followers into 1) the first WTC bombing in 1993 [indirectly, probably], 2) the Khobar towers attack in 1996, 3) the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998, 4) the USS Cole attack in 2000.

Presumably, all these attacks were "fake" in order to establish OBL's credentials for the big "fake" 9/11 attack.

My point here is that (even if this absurd proposition were true --- OBL as a US government proxy) it would certainly extend beyond the Bush administration. In fact, it would probably need to be something "outside" of any normal government channel. Possibly not government at all.

The U.S. has been trying to kill OBL very vigorously since 9/11 (and eventually we will, assuming natural causes or a reward-seeker doesn't get him first). If he was a CIA proxy, that relationship has evidently been abandoned. I don't know why he would be quiet about it. It seems like it would be in his best interest to reveal any such relationship.

OBL has been modestly supportive of attacks on the U.S. in Iraq. As far as I can see, he has never done *anything* that was in the U.S.'s best interests at least since the Soviets left Afghanistan. None of his stated goals in the Far East or West Africa or even in the Middle East seem to be consistent with U.S. goals.

[schticknz]

Originally Posted by fitzbew88

The U.S. has been trying to kill OBL very vigorously since 9/11 (and eventually we will, assuming natural causes or a reward-seeker doesn't get him first). If he was a CIA proxy, that relationship has evidently been abandoned. I don't know why he would be quiet about it. It seems like it would be in his best interest to reveal any such relationship.

Interesting ... since the CIA/FBI/whoever stopped looking for him quite a while ago ... and since he's been dead since around late 2001, it will be pretty hard for them to look for him ... if indeed they manage to find his skeleton.

The recent Bin Laden videos have been coming out of that madly Arabic centre of the world, California, by a guy called Adam Pearlman who has links to the ADL (anti-defamation league of Bnai Brith), the CIA and also most probably Mossad.

All you need to know is ... it weren't them Ay-rabs that attacked the US on 9/11 ... it was the US in conjunction with Israel ... and my god I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the arse ... sorry ... face

[CapnG]

Originally Posted by Paranormal Packrat

Even if this is a "phony" Bin, can someone explain to me how (or why) that could or would be? It seems to work against them if they were indeed involved.

Not at all, quite the opposite. By threatening to destroy that which Bush claims to protect, Bush's position is reinforced because he can rally sympathy from his supporters (who are clearly, morons). Real or fake, Bush has clearly benefitted from playing the fear card over and over. It seems counter-intuitive but it actually makes sense on a meta-level.

[Astroboy]

Originally Posted by schticknz

All you need to know is ... it weren't them Ay-rabs that attacked the US on 9/11 ... it was the US in conjunction with Israel ... and my god I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the arse ... sorry ... face

Are you sure you're not purple? You seem rather excited.

If your condition persists for more than 4 hours consult a doctor.

[Aaron LeClair]

Originally Posted by CapnG

Not at all, quite the opposite. By threatening to destroy that which Bush claims to protect, Bush's position is reinforced because he can rally sympathy from his supporters (who are clearly, morons). Real or fake, Bush has clearly benefitted from playing the fear card over and over. It seems counter-intuitive but it actually makes sense on a meta-level.

Hmm. Dunno, I have a hard time buying that the Bush admin would get Bin to threaten states that vote for him/Bush. There's other ways to play the fear card. Like threaten Christians, or simply Americans, not just Bush voters.

[schticknz]

Originally Posted by Astroboy

Are you sure you're not purple? You seem rather excited.

If your condition persists for more than 4 hours consult a doctor.

Purple?? Me??? Purple??? Ummm ... yeah ... quite probably ... . I've got these pills the size of a horse that I'm supposed to take otherwise my blue arse starts taking over William Burroughs style.

Sorry ... I shall try to calm down. Should know never to get too political otherwise I start talking like a horse ... or is it its backside??? :P (I don't think I'm alone in that one though, and yes I'm talking about YOU ... ALEX JONES YOU FEARMONGERING SACK OF ... ooops sorry ... horse pill time )

schtick ... who is going to bed now before I start frothing at the mouth too much

p.s. Chertoff is a dual Israeli ... Silverstein was/is great pals with Netanyahu ... Richard Perle was once Israels greatest weapons dealer and a spy for Israel ... shall I go on?? Nope bed doth call ... :P