History before 6000 BC?

[TClaeys]

Just came across this article and it seems to fit in this discussion quite well. Clovis people and before, the search for the first Americans. (Wasn't that Columbus?)

We're talking about 12,000 years ago and perhaps further back.

http://www.utexas.edu/news/2008/07/14/tarl_gulf/

[Live at the Witch Trials]

I watched that Life after people Documentary a while back and it raised the possibility of what would Earth be like if people vanished and how long would it take for nature to wipe out all the evidence of Human existence.

I forget the exact figure but i think that after 10,000 years all evidence of us being here would be erased.

The only things that would possibly endure would be made of stone ie Stonhenge and The Pyramids.

So who can tell of what once was before ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_After_People

[Brian Now]

Originally Posted by Live at the Witch Trials

I forget the exact figure but i think that after 10,000 years all evidence of us being here would be erased.

It's my understanding both those shows were about physical signs of civilization breaking down. So maybe all evidence would be gone if you were just wandering around looking at the landscape. But the rubble, the pieces and the chemical signatures are all still there in the ground.

[TClaeys]

When I saw that documentary I thought to myself SURELY something would survive. The sprawling city of Phoenix for example, barring some major catastrophe would still show signs of civilization. IMO there would still be signs of civilization even 10,000 years down the road. Everything wouldn't be completely covered or gone. All the highways, major cities, cigarette butts and other garbage??Again, just my opinion.

What about the stuff on the moon even?? Yes thats not Earth, I know.

[RonCollins]

I found this on Graham Hancocks website.

http://www.grahamhancock.com/underworld/cambay2.html

It is a good article.

[mike]

i dont think evidence of our existance would be wiped away that easily.
i watched a doco about neolithic flint miners recently and was struck by the fact that where once our species used deer antler to dig veins of flint out of chalk deposits, we now mine Uranium, and dont forget the scientologists have had elron hubbards sci fi etched onto titanium plates and buried in mountain vaults.

plus theres the stuff we left on the moon

[noddwyd]

A few months ago I watched a documentary on what would happen exactly if all humans vanished overnight.

In the end, thousands of years from now, the most reliable place to find evidence that we ever existed would be on the moon.

I think its more than reasonable to assume there are ancient artifacts on the moon, whether from so called 'alien astronauts' or our own past civilizations, or both if they are one and the same.


Also, extensive writings may not exist now that come from before the 'flood'. But you'll find a few people in writings from Sumer claiming that at that time they had such writings and a few people could even understand them. Of course, you'll also find claims that things like sheep, olives, and grapes come from the 'ancient astronaut's' or 'god's' planet of origin.

[DBTrek]

Keep in mind that the term "civilization" refers to more than just people living in a city. Jericho, for example, is estimated to be some 10,000-12,000 years old. That is considerably older than the earliest human "civilization".

However, in order to be classified as a civilization there needs to be evidence of organized religion, a system of law, writing, a hierarchical social structure, and a host of other things that escape my memory at the moment.

[underdog]

Clovis spear points in the US date as far back as 14,000 years ago, thats 12,000bce. If you've ever seen a clovis point, they are impressive and show no small amount of skill to produce. Clearly people had been making them for a long long time before they set foot on the north–american continent.

My property in North Carolina is lousy with arrowheads, so much so that back during the 1970's UNC Chapel Hill wanted to excavate. At that time an archeologist from UNC dated several artifacts, found while plowing, at around 10,000 years old. The best being a perfectly oval piece of stone with a razor sharp cutting edge on one end...a type of flint traded in from modern day Tennessee. Apparently, trade routes spanning several hundred miles were common even in 8000bce., even in the backroads of good old, North Carolina.

I'm sure, Africa, Mesopotamia, and Southeast Asia were far more populated and advanced than what was going on on this continent.